K047. Can a believer fall? What did Jesus say?

I don't care what the preachers say nowadays because most of them, especially some radical grace preachers, are like a 'ding dong bell' between what they say and what Jesus said. Jesus has said clearly that believers can fall and He said it as a valid warning to us; not as a threat to us. But many 'fearful' preachers or believers who felt condemned by it refuse to hear it. They have ears to hear and yet they pretend not to hear it.

Last time, they argued and accused everyone of causing them and their believers to feel condemned when they heard others preaching and saying that "a believer can fall", but now, they argue that everyone has misunderstood them. They now say that they actually meant that "Not every believer are saved; but only their believers or the true grace believers who believe like them are saved. In another words, only they themselves cannot fall".

I will tell them, I don't want to waste my time arguing about what you have said or what you have not said. Why don't you look at the words, parables, or doctrine of Jesus and find out what Jesus said before you switch your doctrine to and fro, like the 'ding dong bell' preachers or the 'lukewarm' preachers? Can't you see what Jesus has said in this parable:
Luk 8:9-18 KJV  And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?  (10)  And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.  (11)  Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.  (12)  Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.  (13)  They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.  (14)  And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.  (15)  But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.  (16)  No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.  (17)  For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.  (18)  Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

Many said that they read it as the parable about the word or the parable about different types of people who received the word. But I saw different types of believers who heard and believed the word. Jesus described further that these believers are the lukewarm believers whom He had to spue out from His mouth (probably because these believers had believed and now they would be rejected). Well, now you tell me, If a believer can never fall, why did Jesus say that He would spue them out of His mouth?

In fact, the Spirit expressly said that there will be a great falling away. Please think, If the believers can never fall, does it make sense for the Spirit to say that there is a great falling or departing?
1Ti 4:1-2 KJV  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;  (2)  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron .. (16) Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Sadly I have known many radical grace or hyper grace preachers who are now preaching like the lukewarm. They will keep accusing others and keep changing their doctrine like the lukewarm. Last time, they accused the churches of preaching condemnation for showing that the believers can fall; but now having known that the believers can fall; they change their mind and their doctrine to subtly preach that the believers can fall, but boast that only the true believers or grace believers like them can never fall. They now go around and argue that all other preachers who had falsely accused them or misunderstood them are jealous of them. I think, Lukewarm preachers who believe or behave like them would do more damage to the kingdom of God than the sinners or the lawless people. I can now understand why the Lord would spue them out and ask them to repent.

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