By Christ's obedience or our obedience ?

• Rom 5:19 KJV  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Radical grace preachers will say, "So, by whose obedience are we made righteous ? Is is by our obedience ? No, it is by Christ's obedience. Why can't we tell the sinners that we are made righteous without any obedience, any law, or any judgement ? It is effortless for us. If we preach the right gospel with Christ's obedience, people will automatically repent and obey without self-effort. However, many law churches, repentance churches, and doing good churches today are still preaching the 'old obedience' to God's laws and old laws. They are still trying to keep the people under the law. They are preaching another gospel. To be obedient means to hope, believe, and trust in God’s grace, not to do many laws or do, do, do..."" 
I will tell them, While the Bible did say that we are made righteous by Christ's obedience, the Bible did not say that the churches cannot teach God's laws and obedience, preach repentance, and do good. In fact, the Bible told us that we are saved to do more because we have known Christ's obedience now. Please think, If you can tell people that they are saved to prosper, to reign, or to bless others, why can't we tell others that they are saved to keep God's commandments, to be obedient, to turn from their sins, and to do good too ?
Please think, If there is no more obedience from us because of Christ's obedience, what's the point for God to give men the free will to do their own obedience. If there is no need for our obedience with free choice, what's the point for God to create men ? Just create robots or animals and put Christ's obedience into them to make them obey automatically ? This is absurd.

Did Jesus say that there is no more law or commandment from God ?

Radical grace preachers will continue, "There is no more work, no more law, no more commandment, and no more judgement under grace. Why ? it's because there is no more obedience from us, but only obedience from Christ according to the Bible (Rom 5:19). If we are saved by the obedience of Christ, God would not need to see any obedience from us. If God would not require obedience from us, there is no need for us to keep any commandment or obedience. That's why under grace, we have no more law, no more obedience, no more commandment, no more judgement, and no more condemnation. Jesus' obedience has removed all the need of law and obedience from us. Jesus has kept all the law so that we don't have to keep any law. That is good news. That's why Jesus told all His disciples and the Pharisees that none of us can keep any law and it's best for us not to keep any if we were to believe in Him:

• Mat 5:1-30 KJV  And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:  (2)  And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,  (3)  Blessed are the poor in spirit: ...  (20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven ...  (27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:  (28)  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.  (29)  And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.  (30)  And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

I will ask them, Now I understand why you preach a lawless gospel, which has no more law or commandment. You said that there is no need for obedience from us because Jesus has done the obedience for us (Rom 5:19), and therefore there is no more obedience for us to keep any commandment or law? But are you sure it is biblical to ask the people not to keep any law or commandment according to your interpretation of those Bible verses above? The Bible verses you've just quoted above cannot prove to us that Jesus wants us to keep no more law or commandment; but on the contrary, those Bible verses prove to us that Jesus wants all of us to repent because no one is righteous enough to enter the kingdom of God, including the Pharisees. In another words, no one is righteous enough to ignore His preaching of repentance and do nothing to enter the kingdom of God. Contrary to what you said, Jesus wants us to do something, at all cost, to repent and to enter the kingdom of God even if we have to amputate our limbs physically. Of course, He did mean it figuratively or spiritually how much we ought to repent and keep ourselves from evil and lawlessness.
Hence, your radical interpretation of the Lord's teaching that there is no more law or commandment cannot sit well with the true teaching of the Lord. You could have deliberately shown people that the Lord has preached obsolete sayings or contradiction by comparing His words in Mat 5:1-30 and John 15:10-15, and mislead the people that we cannot believe in His words, and that we can only believe in 'the gospel that Paul preached or you preach'. Of course, this is a lie. The Lord's words have never told us to :

1. to do nothing,
2. to enforce it on others (judge) others by cutting off their hands or legs if they steal or sin. It is rather an attitude or spirit which a believer should have within himself when he is challenged by the sin issues of his own lives, or
3. to keep no more law and commandment. Jesus has never said this or implied that this is so when he said those words in Mat 5:1-30. On the contrary, He said it clearly that we have to keep His commandments or God's commandments because His commandments are from God. John 15:10-15 KJV  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.  ..  (12)  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you ... (14)  Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.  (15)  Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.  

Did the Bible tell us that there is no more obedience from us ? 

They will still argue, "Ok, I know that Jesus had preached about repentance and keeping the laws. But He preached to the Pharisees, not to us. He preached harsh laws and hard sayings to the Pharisees and the Jews so that none of them can keep any law and would in the end turn to Him. But today, we should not read Matt 5 and Matt 6 any more. His teaching from the sermon on the mount from Matt 5-7 is no more applicable for us who are under grace. Today we don't listen to His words any more, we listen to Paul. We listen to the gospel that Paul preached, not the gospel of law or repentance that Jesus preached to the Pharisees and the Jews in the Old Testament. Why ? It is because we are under grace. And Jesus has kept all the laws and commandments for us. We would just need to think and assume that He has done all His obedience for us (Rom 5:19) for our past, present, and future sins and lawlessness. We are saved by Christ's obedience, not by our own obedience. If Jesus has obeyed God, it means that we have obeyed God even if we would still rebel or sin against God. The obedience of Christ is so good that God would consider us as obedient children even if we still sin or disobey Him. This is goodnews. That's why we will listen to the gospel that Paul preached, not the gospel that Jesus preached when He was not yet crucified.

• Rom 5:19 KJV  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
• Rom 16:24-26 KJV  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.  (25)  Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,  (26)  But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
• 2Pe 1:1-2 KJV  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:  (2)  Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

How is grace and peace multiplied unto you ? It is by the knowledge of Christ, by believing it, thinking about it, and confessing it; not by doing it or by doing many repentance. That's the reason why we can now call ourselves the righteousness of God. It means that the righteousness of God has been imputed to us without us keeping any God's laws, doing obedience, or doing anything. Under the law, sin is infectious, but under grace, righteousness is contagious. This is what God said to me, haha, because I am under grace, I can hear from God, haha .."

I will tell them, Yes, Peter said that Grace and peace is multiplied through the knowledge of God and Jesus Christ in 2 Pet 1:2, but Peter did not say that grace and peace is multiplied without any repentance. Thayer interpreted the knowledge of God and of Jesus as correct knowledge or precise knowledge. It means we do not just have the knowledge about God or about Jesus; but we have the knowledge of Jesus too. We have the knowledge of Jesus because we know His words and commandments. 
I will tell them,You said that the teaching of the Lord in Mat 5:1-30 is not for His believers or followers, but for the Pharisees or the Jews who believed in the law. Can you read the whole chapter from the top again and find out if it is for His believers or the Pharisees ?

• Mat 5:1-30 KJV  And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:  (2)  And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,  (3)  Blessed are the poor in spirit: ...  (20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven ...  (27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:  (28)  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.  ..

Please see how Jesus had spoken to the multitudes and His disciples. Can you be honest with the people by telling us this Bible passage is for the disciples or for the Pharisees ? Did He say that His teaching is not applicable to us ? I don't think so. If this is so, He would not have commanded His disciples to teach everything that He had taught:

• Mat 28:19-20 KJV  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  (20)  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I will tell them, You said that "under the law, sin is infectious, but under grace, righteousness is contagious". But do you know that obedience is a spirit which is contagious too ? We have many examples and proofs to show people that we will follow the examples of the elders and our parents to do good and to keep the laws in their country, in their community, in the trains, in the buses, and in the schools too. That's why we don't litter, we don't smoke, and we don't do obscene business in the public places. That's why we can teach the young to follow us. Our spirit of obedience will influence them and it can be contagious too. Are you ignorant about this, preachers ? Or would you deliberately deny that this can be taught in the churches too ? If you would always argue and 'ding dong' about this, you are not under grace; you are on the road to perdition and rebellion as prophesied by the Apostle:

• Php 1:27-30 KJV  Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;  (28)  And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.  (29)  For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;  (30)  Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.
• 2Th 2:3-12 LITV  Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,  (4)  the one opposing and exalting himself over everything being called God, or object of worship, so as for him "to sit in the temple of God" as God, setting forth himself, that he is God. Dan. 11:36; Eze. 28:2  (5)  Do you not remember that I told you these things, I yet being with you?  (6)  And now you know the thing holding back, for him to be revealed in his time.  (7)  For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, only he is holding back now, until it comes out of the midst.  (8)  And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. Isa. 11:4  (9)  His coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and miraculous signs and lying wonders,  (10)  and in all deceit of unrighteousness in those being lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved.  (11)  And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie,  (12)  that all may be judged, those not believing the truth, but who have delighted in unrighteousness.
• Heb 10:26-29 KJV  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,  (27)  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  (28)  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:  (29)  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ... (35) Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward .. (39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
• Rev 17:10-14 KJV  And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.  (11)  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.  (12)  And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  (13)  These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.  (14)  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (I am not bothered how many 'beasts' will come and fight against the word of God. Neither am I troubled to know if he is the seventh beast or the eighth beast which will spew lawlessness in the last days. But one thing we are certain:   

Rom 5:19's By Christ's obedience does not mean no more obedience
I will ask them, You quoted Rom 5:19 and argued that it is by Christ's obedience that we are made righteous; not by our obedience. Are you sure there is no more obedience from us and, therefore, no more law for us ? Yes, Paul did say that it is by Christ's obedience that we are made righteous, but he would never give people the impression that there is no more obedience from us. On the contrary, Paul said that it is by Christ obedience that many shall be made righteous because the believers would have more obedience to the words and commandments of the Lord. They will obey more because Christ has obeyed first. 

1. As Christ was obedience, so we will obey too - Php 2:5-16 KJV  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  (6)  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  (7)  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  (8)  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.  .. (12)  Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.  (13)  For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.  (14)  Do all things without murmurings and disputings:  (15)  That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;  (16)  Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. (Paul said that obedience is not just empty words; it is holding forth God's words, doing His words, and obeying His words with mind of Christ.)
2. As he is pure, so we will purify ourselves too - 1Jn 3:2-4 KJV  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.  (3)  And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.  (4)  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
3. As He is love, so we will love too - 1Jn 4:16-21 KJV  And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.  (17)  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.  (18)  There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.  (19)  We love him, because he first loved us.  (20)  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?  (21)  And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
4. As He is righteous, so we will do righteous too - 1Jn 3:7-12 KJV  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. ..  (10)  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.  (11)  For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another ..  (17) But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?  (18)  My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. .. (21)  Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.  (22)  And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.  (23)  And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.  (24)  And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. (John did not say that we should just believe on the name of Jesus only; but he said, Believe AND love one another. And he that keepeth His commandment dwelleth in Him and He in him. This is what John meant, As He is, so are we to keep His commandments; not to just prosper and become rich. If you can tell people that they are saved to prosper, to reign, or to bless others, why can't we tell others that they are saved to keep God's commandments, to turn from their sins, and to do good too ?)

I will tell them, Please read all the Bible verses above again. Do you still think that to obey means to hope, to believe, to trust in God’s grace, and just to do nothing? Do you think that God would consider it obedience if He has no more laws for you to do or obey ? No, if there is no more law for you to obey, there is no more meaning for obedience, and you would become the law yourselves, and you would become lawless like Satan in the eyes of God also. 

The Bible said, We believe and obey; not we believe or obey

• 1Jn 2:3-7 KJV  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.  (4)  He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.  (5)  But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.  (6)  He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.  (7)  Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning ... (1Jn 5:13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

John has just said clearly that He would not want us to believe only; but to keep God's commandments too. It's because John knew that Jesus would not want us to believe only. Jesus would want us to believe AND obey. He wants us to believe AND repent too. He would not want us to just 'believe in His obedience' and do nothing:

• He wants us to believe 'in His obedience' so that we will obey more. 
• He wants us to believe in His keeping of God's commandments so that we will keep the law of God in our hearts and mind too. 
• He wants us to believe in His teaching of repentance so that we will turn from sins. 

If it is ridiculous to tell people that by Christ's repentance, we do not need to repent any more, it is equally absurd to tell the believers that by Christ's obedience, we do not need to obey any more. No, this is not the true interpretation of Rom 5:19. The correct interpretation, which does not contradict the teaching of the Lord, is: By Christ's obedience, we will still obey and keep God's commandments:

• Rom 5:19 KJV  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous ... Rom 6:1-2 KJV What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  (2)  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? ... (12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.  (13)  Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.  (14)  For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.  (15)  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.  (16)  Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?  (17)  But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.  (18)  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.  (19)  I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.  (20)  For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.  (21)  What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.  (22)  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. ... Rom 7:23-25 KJV  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.  (24)  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?  (25)  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin .. Rom 8:2 KJV  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

When Paul said, God forbid - it means a clear commandment not to sin, a commandment not to sin with grace, and a commandment to still honour our parents with grace:

• Eph 6:2-3 KJV  Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)  (3)  That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
• Rom 13:9-14 KJV  For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ..(13) Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.  (14)  But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

 It is still a commandment to obey the ten commandment too. 

• 2Pe 2:1-22 KJV  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.  (2)  And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.  (3)  And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not  ...  (18)  For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.  (19)  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.  (20)  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.  (21)  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.  (22)  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

The Bible said, God will judge us based on His words; not based on our thoughts
They will argue, "Rom 5:19 has clearly said that By Christ's obedience, we are made righteous. Is it by our obedience? No. I would think that we should interpret it further to say that by Christ's thought or obedience, we are made righteous. The thoughts of Jesus are all righteous. Therefore, God will not judge us based on our thoughts any more; but by Christ's thought or obedience.. That's why we can say that we are made righteous by Christ's obedience, not by our obedience. There is no more obedience for us, no more law for us, no more self-effort, no more repentance of dead works, no more 'do good get good' principles, no more judgement, no more condemnation if you don't this.. and that .. Don't you think that this is too good to be true. Yes, of course, this is the true gospel .. Haha, Heihei.. and we are not ashamed to preach the grace gospel or the revolution .."
I will tell them, You said that you are righteous because as He is so are you and this is what you think. However, the Bible tells us that God will judge us based on His words and commands, not just based on our thoughts or Christ thoughts alone. I think you need to read the Bible all over again.
They will say, "But don't you agree that we are not perfect? That's why we would preach Jesus as the perfect servant. We can prove to you that Jesus was the perfect servant according to the gospel of Mark..."
I will tell them, No, Jesus has shown you that He is not only a perfect servant but an obedient servant. Please think, If Jesus Christ has set the example for you to be an obedient servant, what would He tell you to do as an obedient servant ? Of course, it is to obey and do the commandments of God. Hence, the real teaching of Jesus Christ for us as He is the perfect servant is: As He is the perfect servant (or obedient servant), so are we. As Christ do, so we do also.

• Joh 13:12-17 KJV  So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?  (13)  Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.  (14)  If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.  (15)  For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.  (16)  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.  (17)  If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

The Bible said Jesus was the perfect servant for us to follow
The Bible did not say that Jesus was the perfect servant to serve us; but the perfect example for us to follow and to obey like Him:

• Php 2:2-8 KJV  Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.  (3)  Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.  (4)  Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.  (5)  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  (6)  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  (7)  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  (8)  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

I will tell them, What's the point if you keep preaching that Jesus is the perfect servant or the great servant when you yourselves would not repent, put on His mind, obey, believe, and do all His words. Yes, I know that the gospel of Mark depicted Jesus as the perfect servant. However, if you preach that Jesus is the perfect servant, what is your 'perfect' intention ? Do you preach Him as the perfect servant (for you):

1. because He serves you so that you can reign like a king ? or
2. because He shows you the example of being an obedient servant so that you will serve as an obedient servant also ? 

However, if you think that He is the perfect servant for you because of the first reason, something is wrong with your Bible. You would need to read your Bible again.
However, if you think that He is the perfect servant for you because of the second reason, do you think further, Why would He want to set Himself as the perfect servant ? Of course, it is because He wants you to serve. If He wants you to serve, He would want you to serve with obedience or to serve as an obedient servant. Hence, obedience is still required from us. How can you tell others that there is no more obedience and no more commands for us ? If there is obedience from Christ, there is obedience from us. There is God's commandment for us too. Hence, teaching that there is no more obedience or no more God's commandment for us because of Christ's obedience is certainly a lie. I think that the 'effortless' or the 'do nothing' doctrine with no more law or no more obedience for us (which tries to convince us that walking with the Lord is always 'effortless' and 'no sweat') can never blend very well with the Lord's teaching. In fact, it contradicts radically and contentiously against all the Lord's teaching. Please be honest, Don't you think that it is very hypocritical to tell everyone that to serve others as a perfect servant is just to serve 'effortlessly', to serve without any effort, or to serve with 'no sweat' attitude ? I find it disgusting to tell the lie that we do need to serve and do anything for the Lord as God's servants. How can we call ourselves God's servants if we do not want to serve ? Can we just remove all the Bible verses which tell us to serve as God's servants and interpret that God can only tell us to reign like kings ? No, I would rather tell people honestly that they would have to make great sacrifice to obey and to walk with Christ, than hide the words of the Lord from them and give them our own promises instead:

• Luk 14:25-35 KJV  And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,  (26)  If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.  (27)  And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.  (28)  For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?  (29)  Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,  (30)  Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.  ..  (33)  So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.  (34)  Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?  (35)  It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus was the perfect servant who obeyed God's commandments. How about you ?
Do you obey His words? They will argue, "Jesus would never say the above to us; He had said it only to the Jews and those who were under the law. Please think, We are not under the law. We are modern men who have works and family. How can we hate our parents, forsake everything, and follow Him. If you believe this kind of absurd law teaching or commandment teaching, please sell all that you have and give it to me.."
I will tell them, If you cannot do it or understand it, that does not mean that it is not for you. Of course, Jesus did not mean it literally; but certainly He meant it figuratively. Please don't argue like a moron. Do you think that Jesus would ask everybody to find a real wooden cross and carry it ? Of course, not. If you know that you are not supposed to mean it literally, I trust that you can figure it out yourselves on how we ought to 'take up our cross', 'hate our parents', and 'forsake all that we have', and to follow Him. However, if you cannot do it, please don't teach others to do nothing and ignore all the teaching of the Lord. Doing so would be equivalent to denying the Lord and His words even though you may keep calling His name and arguing that you have preached many wonderful words in the name of the Lord:

• Joh 6:60-66 KJV  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?  (61)  When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?  (62)  What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?  (63)  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.  (64)  But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.  (65)  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.  (66)  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
• Joh 14:23-25 KJV  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.  (24)  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.  (25)  These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
• Mat 7:15-24 KJV  .. (22)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  (23)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.  (24)  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Why are you called the servants of righteousness ? 
I will tell them, Since you think that the teaching of Christ has been taken over by the teaching of Paul, we will move from the teaching of the Lord in the gospel of Matt and John to the teaching of Paul (although I know that Paul must still follow all the teaching of Christ). Let us now look at the letters of Paul about the servant of righteousness:

• Rom 6:15-22 KJV  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.  (16)  Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?  (17)  But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.  (18)  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.  (19)  I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.  (20)  For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.  (21)  What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.  (22)  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

I will tell them, If Paul had confessed to us that he was still having the struggles of sins in his flesh or in his mind (Rom 7:14-25), he would never think that confessing our sins or confessing our struggles of sins will make us sin even more. On the contrary, confession of our sins will give us the courage to confront the problem honestly and to make humble and conscious effort to obey and to yield ourselves to the righteousness of God.   
Do you know why we are called the servants of righteousness ? Before we try to answer the question, just answer this question honestly: Why didn't Paul say that we are the kings or priests of righteousness ? I know that we will be made unto God kings and priests in Rev 1:6 and 5:10 but it has a different meaning. We will come to that later. But now why are we called the servants of righteousness and not the kings of righteousness ? What is the difference between a servant of righteousness and a king of righteousness ? I don't think we need a rocket scientist to know it:

• A servant of righteousness is someone who obey and do righteousness. That's why Paul said in (v16), ".. Ye are to whom ye obey". However, if you are a servant of sin, you would do sin. You would be under the bondage of sin as you yielded the members of your body to sin (v20).
• A king of righteousness on the other hand is someone who will not need to obey to be righteous. He is the righteousness. He can make others righteous. He is the source of righteousness to those who are the servants of righteousness. Hence, I don't think anyone of us can take His place. There is only one who can be called the king of righteousness. Jesus Christ

We may be like the king of righteousness but we are not above the king of righteousness because we are the servant of righteousness. If we are the servant of righteousness, we obey righteousness or the king of righteousness. Joh 13:12-17 KJV  So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?  (13)  Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.  (14)  If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.  (15)  For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.  (16)  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.  (17)  If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

Now, how do we obey righteousness or show our obedience unto the king of righteousness ? We simply do His righteousness or yield our members to do His righteousness. Isn't this what Paul have said in Rom 6:15-22 above ? He said in (v22) ".. ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life" because you have become a servant of God or a servant of righteousness. However, it would be ridiculous if we tell the people that to be a servant of righteousness we will just need to think of righteousness, confess righteousness, assume righteousness, or repetitively confess the following Bible verse or any Bible verse which has "the righteousness of God" without asking them to do righteousness or to be a servant of righteousness:

• 2Co 5:21 KJV  For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I will ask them, Are you made the righteousness of God with the command of not to do any righteousness ? If not, please don't give such command to any sinners who would only want to believe and do nothing and confess that they are the righteousness of God. Even the king of righteousness, Jesus Christ, will do righteousness and become the example of righteousness for us:

• 1Jn 3:7 KJV  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous... (10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 
• Joh 13:12-17 KJV  ..(15)  For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.  (16)  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.  (17)  If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

Today many believers still think that they are the king of righteousness, prince of grace, or prince of peace. They will say, "What's the problem ? We are the little Prince or little God who are like Jesus. As He is the righteousness, so are we. As He is peace, so are we. We are made like Him. Do you remember the donkey that Jesus rode into Jerusalem before He was crucified ? Yes, of course, Jesus got the glory, so did the donkey. We are like that donkey who will get the glory because we serve the King too. Jesus will never feel insecure and think that we can rob His glory .."
I will tell them, The problem is not whether you can steal the glory; the problem is what kind of impression you want to give to the people. If you give the sinners the impression that you are the 'little' king of righteousness or the 'little' prince of grace, you will become their 'little' idol as they think that you would help them to receive more righteousness or more grace. You become like a 'little' god to them. You may be so puffed up that you would think that you are no more a servant of righteousness; but a little 'God' of righteousness who would never need to do any righteousness.

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To name names or not to name names ?

We don't 'name names' like a madman
Of course, we should not name names casually. But if we name names, we must have strong evidence and supporting argument to prove against them. We don't just name names like a mad man by calling everyone as false prophets, devils, or pimps without proving clearly, biblically, and convincingly why we think so. Otherwise, we are not helping the innocent or the deceived. We would only confuse them and drive them deeper into their falsehood and deception. Although, strictly speaking, everyone could be a 'false prophet' in one way or another because we are all lost sinners and may preach our own religions to justify ourselves before God, it does not mean that we can call everyone a false prophet. However, if we are careful about what we say or how we should name names, it does not mean that we would never name names. When we name names, it does not mean that we are judging or condemning them. We are just identifying the suspects and tell people to beware.

However, it is biblical to 'name names'
Jesus had named names, Paul had named names, and many of the Apostles had named names too.

• Luk 13:2-5 KJV  And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?  (3)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.  (4)  Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?  (5)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
• 2Ti 4:14-15 KJV  Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:  (15)  Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.
• 1Ti 1:18-20 KJV  This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;  (19)  Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:  (20)  Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
• Act 8:20-23 KJV  But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.  (21)  Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.  (22)  Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.  (23)  For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
• Rev 3:14-19 KJV  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; ,, (17)  Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:  (18)  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.  (19)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

It is sensible to 'name names' occasionally
Do you agree that the residents and police of Boston have also 'named names' in the recent Boston Marathon attack ? They have spotted and alerted the public with the names of the suspects who killed and injured many people at the marathon. Can we accuse the radio, TV, and police for judging or condemning the suspects just because they named the names of the suspects ? Of course, not. They have only identified the suspects as the dangerous people. They did not judge them or condemn them on the spot, but they would wait for the judge to judge them and their crimes. Of course, the people and the police did not judge like the Pharisees or the judges, who judged the adulterous woman:

• Joh 8:3-7 KJV  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,  (4)  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.  (5)  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?  (6)  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.  (7)  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Yes, the people and the police have named names, identified, and warned others about the suspects, but they will still let the judge or God judge the suspects. However, they would never just keep quiet and let the suspects continue their killing spree and lawlessness. Have you ever wondered why did the police manage to catch the suspects in such a short time ? It is because of their strong law enforcement team and their law enforcement training. Can it still work if the police were ill-discipline and lazy ? Of course, no. Please think, If the secular world would keep their community sober in their laws and order, don't you agree that God's churches would need more God's laws and commandments too. Otherwise, how can God's people expose falsehood, deceptions, sins, lawlessness, rebellion, and ungodliness, identify them, and warn the people to beware of them too ?

• Joh 16:7-12 KJV  Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.  (8)  And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:  (9)  Of sin, because they believe not on me;  (10)  Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;  (11)  Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.  (12)  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Of course, our society, our governments, and our churches, in the world would still need God's laws and the Holy Spirit to teach them, unless we are already perfect in the world. If we are still in the world, all of us would still need the conviction of the Holy Spirit to teach us and to show us what is sin, righteousness, and judgement of the Lord. It is the promise of the Lord for the Holy Spirit to convict all of us in the world, including the churches, the believers, the false prophets, and the prince of this world. Of course, this promise is not a promise spoken or given to the agnostic or the non-believers; it is a promise to the disciples of Jesus Christ and all those who will follow Him.

It could be a divine calling or a prophetic ministry to name names
I know that there are preachers who think that warning others about false doctrines is judging or condemnation preaching. I will tell them, When we warn others, we don't have the intention to judge like the Pharisees who judged the adulterous woman; we just want the people to beware of false doctrines. So, please don't quote the Bible out of its context and always use the Pharisee's example of judging the adulterous woman to accuse any preachers who may warn others and judge your false doctrines, unless you think that you are like the 'adulterous woman' who is being judged unfairly for your false doctrines. Of course, warning the people about the false preachers and their false doctrines is not judging them or condemning them, though it may alert the people and will finally lead to their condemnation and the judgement of their false doctrines.

• Eze 33:7-10 KJV  So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.  (8)  When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.  (9)  Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.  (10)  Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
• Mat 24:42-44 KJV  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.  (43)  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.  (44)  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
• Mat 25:11-13 KJV  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.  (12)  But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.  (13)  Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
• Mar 13:33-37 KJV  Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.  (34)  For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.  (35)  Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:  (36)  Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.  (37)  And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch (Paul emphasized it here that he did not just warn us only; he said to all. That means he wanted all of us to preach it and warn all the people).
• Luk 21:34-36 KJV  And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.  (35)  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.  (36)  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
• Act 20:29-31 KJV  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.  (30)  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.  (31)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. (Please think, If believers can never fall, do you think it is necessary for Paul to warn the believers and pray for them with tears day and night ? Of course, it would not make sense for Paul and us to preach that the believers can never fall or abuse the grace of God too.)
• Jas 4:17 KJV  Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
• Rev 3:2-3 KJV  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.  (3)  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Yes, God's preachers may name names, identify, and warn others about the false preachers, but they will let God, the Judge, judge the false prophets. However, they will never keep quiet and let the false prophets, false doctrines, or lawless seduction, continue and spread like wild fires.
I am sure that when Paul or Peter named Hymenaeus and Alexander in 1Ti 1:20, 2Ti 4:14 or Simon, the sorcerer, in Act 8:20-23, they had no intention to be critical on the people and their doctrines. They did not condemn them just because they were wicked people or greedy people. After all, how many of us can vouch that there is nothing wicked or greedy in us ? But Paul and Peter had to name names because they wanted the people to be clear about the right gospel and stop anyone who may abuse the gospel. They wanted the people to identify those who would pervert the gospel for material gains, 'use' God, abuse the gift of grace or the Holy Spirit, and think like Simon, the sorcerer. Those who know right will believer right. If we believe right, we will live right. If we will live right, we will do right also.

It is judgement of God when God will name names
Radical grace preachers will argue, "It is bad to name names. We have never named names. We have only condemned the Pharisees. The most we would just condemn those who would preach the law or who would insist that we must do good get good or do a lot of self-efforts. We are not like the law preachers who would throw stones at others because we know grace and we are more gracious than them. We have kept our mouth from speaking evil against others. We don't keep the law but we are much better than those who preach the law, keep accusing others, slap everyone else except themselves, and hide behind anonymous names .. We feed the sheep, not beat the sheep .. We are full of positive words and preach like Jesus. The Bible said that Jesus had never condemned anyone except the Pharisees. Jesus had never been angry with any sinners too. You can't find an angry Jesus'; you can only find a 'smiling' Jesus, and we are the anointed ones who point you to that 'smiling' Jesus. We are proud to tell you that we preach more about the 'smiling' Jesus. Halelujah. Amen. Haha, if God is for us or smiling at us, who can condemn us, God's favoured ones.. "
I will tell them, Just thinking that you are God's favoured ones will not prove to us that you are God's favoured ones (Luk 18:9-11). The important thing is: Did you do what is pleasing to Him and be sincere in your criticism of others ? Otherwise, you are no better than those whom you are accusing as law preachers:

• because you are also slapping everyone else when you falsely accuse all others who do not preach radically like you. Didn't you give people the false impression that if the churches did not preach like you, they would be preaching 'mixture', the curses of laws, or 'do good get good' bondages, and therefore they would be preaching like the hypocrites or Pharisees ? Do you 'slap' everyone, who teach God's principles, as law preachers, except yourselves, because you've preached 'only grace', 'pure grace', or 'better grace' principles ? Do you smite everyone, 'ding dong' between the 'law or lawless' arguments to create confusion, hide your lawless motives by keep patching on what you've preached radically, and then boast about how people have all misunderstood you or falsely accused you for preaching grace? Yes, you may have received grace, but you could have acted like the same servant in the parable:  

Mat 18:28-33 KJV  But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. .. (32)  Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:  (33)  Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?  ...  Mat 24:48-51 KJV  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;  (49)  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;  (50)  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,  (51)  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

• because you are also hiding behind your own platform and law. You have probably preached bitter accusation against all other preachers, except yourselves, within your own 'four walls' or within your own platforms. You would never upload those videos which have spoken evil against others. If you find any videos or articles which expose your motives, lies, or lawlessness, would you just accuse them for throwing 'stones' at you ? Would you try to use the copyright law to remove their uploads and silent them ? If you do all these, you are hiding yourselves behind your own platform and law too. I would think that you are worst. You may think that others have thrown 'stones' at you, but have you counted how many 'stones' you have thrown at others, while hiding yourselves behind your own platform and law every Sunday ? No ? You did not just throw 'stones'; you threw 'rocks' at others when you preached radical and lawless revolution. Didn't you accuse all other churches as Pharisees or hypocrites? Just because they've preached many laws or ten commandments ? This is absurd. But when you sang and preached from Psalm 1 and Psalm 34, you would boast that you yourselves have kept the law and kept your mouth from evil. But did you really do God's commandments when you boasted, mocked, and threw corny insults at others who preach God's laws, obedience, repentance, Bible warnings, discipleship, discipline, contentment, and doing good ? If you have done falsehood, no amount of false assurance can help you, unless you repent. 

Act 8:18-25 KJV  And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,  (19)  Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.  (20)  But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.  (21)  Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.  (22)  Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.  (23)  For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.  (24)  Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.  (25)  And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans. (Sometimes, when we preach the gospel, it is inevitable to rebuke some people sharply who always hear wrongly and think that you are throwing 'stones' because you correct them).

I will tell them, Yes, we should not throw 'stones' at everyone. But sometimes, it is ok to throw 'stones'. Just make sure that we aim properly like king David and know who we are aiming at:

• 1Sa 17:40-51 KJV  And he took his staff in his hand, and chose him five smooth stones out of the brook, and put them in a shepherd's bag which he had, even in a scrip; and his sling was in his hand: and he drew near to the Philistine.  .. (45)  Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied. .. (49)  And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. .. (51)  Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled.

I will tell them, Can you accuse king David for throwing 'stones' too ? No, of course, we cannot accuse everyone who throws 'stones' or names names as doing evil or speaking evil without knowing the situation. If king David would throw stones, God's preachers can throw 'stones' also. Hence, it would be highly suspicious if a preacher argues vehemently that God's preachers cannot throw 'stones' and conclude blindly that anyone who throw 'stones' are from the devil, the accuser. I will ask him, Are you speaking for the Philistine who was slain by David or for the false prophets who will be smitten by God's law from the mouth of the Lord ? If not, why are you so defensive against anyone who throw 'stones' or who have the law of God ?

• Rev 2:16-17 KJV  Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.  (17)  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
• Rev 19:15 KJV  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
• Rev 19:19-21 KJV  And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.  (20)  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.  (21)  And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. 
• Mat 4:3-11 KJV  And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.  (4)  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. .. (7)  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. .. (10)  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.  (11)  Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
• Rev 13:3 KJV  And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast .. (12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
• Rev 13:1-18 KJV  And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. .. (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  (18)  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
• Rev 14:11-12 KJV  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.  (12)  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
• Rev 22:3-4 KJV  And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:  (4)  And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

The Lord will not throw 'stones'; but 'swords' if He has to do it
The Lord will do it even if it is not 'gracious' to do so. Yes, most of the false prophets would complain and insist that God's word or God's law is the double-edged sword which kills and condemns, and they are right to say so (Heb 4:12, 2Co 3:6). Indeed, God word or God's law is always a sword or condemnation to them because they are false prophets. Yes, to the false prophets, God's word or God's law will always kill and cut their false doctrines. Some of them insist that God's law is condemnation because Jesus stooped down to write the ten commandments on the hard and stony floor:

• Joh 8:7-9 KJV  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.  (8)  And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.  (9)  And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 
• Mat 10:32-35 KJV  Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.  (33)  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.  (34)  Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.  (35)  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Hence, I don't think anyone can deny that Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit can convict sins. If Jesus could convict the Pharisees by writing on the ground with His fingers and cause the Pharisees to leave one by one before Him (Joh 8:8-9), He can convict anyone, including the self-righteous believers, gnostic believers, agnostic believers, carnal believers, false believers, lying believers, or any kind of believers who think and argue that they can never sin or do not have any sin too.

• Mat 4:3-11 KJV  And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.  (4)  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.  (5)  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, .. (7)  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.  ..  (10)  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.  (11)  Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

The Lord's words which were all God's commandments could have 'cut' the heart of the devil so deep that he left as a miserable injured creature. Hence, many false prophets today are absolutely afraid of God's laws and commandments, and they knew that they would be overpowered by God's commandments. Hence, they could only lie to the people that, because the sword (God's words, laws, and commandments) always kills and condemns, therefore, they should cast away the sword. I will tell them, No, God's commandment is life (Mat 19:17, Rev 22:14)  to those who has the law of God in their hearts; but it would be sword and condemnation to the false prophets and those who deny the Lord. However, the sword of God would becomes OUR SWORD against the lies of Satan and the false prophets if we have God's words or commandments in our hearts too. How can we tell the believers to throw away God's commandment or the sword if it is our only weapon against the false prophets and their lies ? It is like telling the soldiers to go to wars without their guns. Only dump soldiers will listen to the lies of the false 'general' not to carry their guns and would all think that their 'general' has genuine concern for them. In the last days, false generals would quote the Bible out of its context and tell you to just sing or shout like the Israelites in (Jos 6:20), lay back with your arms behind your head, and do nothing to see the defeat of Satan. No, this is not what the Lord taught us. The Lord taught us to be diligent. Please think, How can we use the typology of the Old Testament which fought against the army of the world and use it to fight with the great 'serpent' in the New Testament. No, we will have to use the real weapon against the 'snake'. The real weapon which can cut the most and kill with greater power is the word and commandment of God ! It is time for the soldiers to know the power of their weapon and raise it for victory, instead of dragging it along as though it is a burden.
Don't listen to their false interpretation that 'to cast out the bondwoman' is tot cast out all God's commandments. No, 'to cast out the bondwoman' is to move from the Old covenant to the New covenant with more effective and powerful God's commandments and God's sword in your hearts to battle against the 'prince' of this world. Hence, Jesus will not throw 'stones', but 'swords', to those who lie and make His commandments of none effect. That's why I would consider the Pharisees as false prophets. They made God's commandments of none effect (Mat 15:6). They were all severely condemned by the Lord as the 'vipers', not because they teach the law, they were under the law, and they were hypocrites; but because the Lord knew that they had perverted God's commandments just as Satan had made God's command to Adam of none effect too (Gen 2:16, 3:4). However, the Lord said clearly that He will reward those who will teach and keep His commandments with patience. They are considered as those who would never deny Him:

• Rev 3:7-13 KJV  .. (8)  I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.  (9)  Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  (10)  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. ...
• Rev 14:11-13 KJV  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.  (12)  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.  (13)  And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The Lord will use His sword against the 'thieves' because He is the good Shepherd
Many of them will argue, "Do you know that the Lord has warned us that there are those who can teach and rob us? They are the wolves, the thieves, or the law preachers who will rob and kill with condemning words and commandments from the Bible; but Jesus will always give life to the sheep (Joh 10:10-11). So, the context here is to see Jesus as the good Shepherd only; not the Sword. He has the key of David to prosper us (Rev 3:7); not the sword to kill. Do you know what is the greatest need of the churches today ? It is feeding them with 'food' that prospers their souls and bodies; not condemnation. Hence, the dooms and glooms prophecies in the Bible are not for us. For goodness sake, please say something more positive, instead of these cutting remarks or negative comments which prick our hearts, convict us of our sins and lawlessness, and cause fear. Don't you know that God has forgotten all our lawless deeds and lawless philosophies (Heb 8:12). We have the sword of the Lord too because we always preach the word of God, except that we don't always teach and talk about God's law and commandment. Of course, we don't have to talk about any law or commandment to have the sword of the Spirit. Grace is the sword of the Spirit for us. Don't you agree. Please look at the last verse of the Bible. It says, Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. It is not law, but grace, which will rule in the end. Hence, those who preach against the gospel of grace ('pure grace' or lawless grace), let him be doubly cursed (Gal 1:8-9)."
I will ask them, Do you know which part of God's word can cut the most ? It is God's laws and commandments ! Preaching the word of God without God's commandment is like preaching a blunt knife and making it of none effect. It would lose its effectiveness and can never cut anything. So, don't even try to think that it can be a sword.
You said that God has forgotten all your lawless deeds by quoting Heb 8:12. But have you read the Bible verses before Heb 8:12. God said He will be merciful to us and forget all our sins and lawless deeds because we will keep God's laws in our hearts (Heb 8:10, 10:16). He has forgiven all our lawlessness so that we will not be lawless in our thoughts and minds. However, if you have no God's laws in your hearts or minds, you can never preach with the 'sharp' conviction ? You can forget about telling others that you have the sword of God too.
You said that grace is the last word in the Bible. I can say, No, 'Amen' is the last word in the Bible. Can we conclude that we will rule the earth by just saying 'Amen' alone everyday ? Obviously something is wrong with your kind of theology or typology. Jesus would never tell us to teach this kind of blindness and boast about it as God's anointing or wisdom. Please find out what is the 'Amen' for before you confess it blindly. It is to believe, confess, teach, keep, and do all that the Lord has commanded you or shown you in all His Gospel and Revelation:

1. Mat 28:18-20 KJV  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.  (19)  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  (20)  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
2. Mar 16:20 KJV  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
3. Luk 24:45-53 KJV  Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,  (46)  And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:  (47)  And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.  (48)  And ye are witnesses of these things.  ..   (53)  And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
4. Joh 21:25 KJV  And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
5. Rev 22:18-21 KJV  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:  (19)  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.  (20)  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.  (21)  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

You said that Jesus is the good Shepherd (Joh 10:11); not the Sword. But do you know that good shepherd will always have the sword or the staff in his hand as he needs to protect his sheep ? A shepherd without his staff, his sword, or his protection is not a good shepherd.

• Joh 10:11-18 KJV  (11) ..    (18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus continued and said that He has the power to give life and to take life. How can we preach only part of it and ignore the other part, unless you are afraid because you did not come by the Door, you could not hear His voice, you could not understand, or you are the hireling who are not interested to protect the sheep from the wolves or false prophets:

• Joh 10:1-7 KJV  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.  (2)  But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.  (3)  To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.  (4)  And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.  (5)  And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.  (6)  This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.  (7)  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep ... (12) But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.  (13)  The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

You said that the greatest need of the churches today is just to give them a lot of 'food' that prosper their souls and bodies. Yes, I agree that there are needs for food for the body of Christ. But the greatest need now is to check out from the churches which have too much 'food' or 'drunkenness', and go to the Lord who is the real Shepherd with the sword, before He will come again with the sword of His mouth. Many years ago whenever I read the following Bible prophecies from the book of Revelation, I would think that it did not make sense to me to see the picture of a condemning Christ with His sword coming out of His mouth when we all knew Him as the most gracious God. But it makes perfect sense now, because the prophecies of the Lord about the tares (Mat 13:38) and the false prophets (Matt 24) have all come true and we are living in that age when we will really need the 'sword' of the Lord to contend with the lawless lies and deception devised by the lawless ones who would twist and turn and make all the commands and teaching of Lord of none effect:   

• Rev 1:16 KJV  And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
• Rev 2:16-17 KJV  Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.  (17)  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; ..
• Rev 19:15 KJV  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
• Rev 19:19-21 KJV .. (21)  And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

I will tell them, You said that Jesus has the key of David (Rev 3:7) or He is the key to your prosperity, wealth, and all kinds of blessings. You may be right. But if you think that that key is also the key to lawlessness, lawless thinking, lawless prosperity, lawless favours, or lawless philosophies to those who would never repent, that key would turn into a sword ('+') which can really 'cut'. It would be worst than the 'double curse' in Gal 1:8-9 if you are cut by the double-edged sword of the Lord. 
 
The Lord will use His sword against the beast and the lawless ones in the end time
I will tell them, You said that God's law or preaching of God's law is negative to you. But do you know that God's law or commandment is more positive than you can imagine. It is negative and pricking to your hearts because you have abandoned God's law. It is cutting and condemning to the lawless and the beast too, because it is the sword which will destroy the mark of the beast, the name of the beast, or the name of the 'false general' in the end time. Jesus will confront the great 'Goliath' or the great serpent in the end time. At the right moment, the Lord will cut the serpent at the right place with His commandments and His sword again. The Lord would not throw stones because His words would be more powerful than any stone or sword on earth. It will destroy all the works (or words) of the lawless ones on earth. His sword would be like the 'laser sword' which cut in all ways and no lawlessness can escape His 'blazing eyes'.

• Gen 3:24 KJV  So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
• Rev 2:14-18 KJV  But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.  (15)  So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.  (16)  Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.  (17)  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.  (18)  And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Yes, Moses threw the two tablets of stones or the law of stones at the lawless and rebellious ones in Mount Sinai and 3000 died; but that was in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, the Lord will no longer cast the stones but His sword from His mouth, at the false prophets and the lawless ones. Of course, the Lord would want us to 'upgrade' from His written law to the law of His Spirit in our hearts and mind too. The Lord would not want us to throw His commandments (Mat 4:4-10) as the stones anymore; but as the swords of His Spirit (Eph 6:17, Heb 4:12) at the lawless ones, at the dragon, at the beast, or at the 'frogs' (false doctrines which will come out from the mouths of the false prophets):

• Rev 16:13-16 KJV  And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  (14)  For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.  (15)  Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.  (16)  And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (If you believe in Old Testament typology and prophecy of the coming of Christ, you would believe more in the New Testament typology and prophecy of the second coming of Christ in Revelation) 

However, we can wield the sword of the Spirit only if we have the true conviction of the Spirit and God's laws in our hearts and mind (Heb 8:10); otherwise, we would end up cutting ourselves instead. To fight the spiritual war in the end time, we must still use the word of God, God's commandments, and the sword of the Spirit; we will no longer use the law of Moses, the old covenant, or the 'stones':

• 2Co 10:3-7 KJV  For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:  (4)  (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)  (5)  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;  (6)  And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.  (7)  Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

The Lord has prophesied that there would be vipers, serpent, and frogs which can 'hibernate' and will wake up one day to attack the kingdom of God
They will argue, "But God is love. If He is love, He will never use the sword against us. He would give us a second chance. He would be gracious to us .. because we still call Him 'Lord, Lord' and tell everyone to put Jesus as the centre of their hearts. And we have done this .. and that .. Matt 7:15-23"
I will tell them, God is already very gracious when he gives repentance to anyone including the false prophets or lawless preachers who will still come to Him. But, if you think that repentance is just a term, a form, or a cover for you to just change your mind and 'hibernate' like the vipers or Pharisees, you can never be a God's servant who has the sword of the Spirit. The Pharisees were called vipers or snakes because they would go into 'hibernation' with a false repentance and lawless heart:

• Mat 3:7-12 KJV  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?  (8)  Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:  (9)  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.  (10)  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.  (11)  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:  (12)  Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
• 2Ti 3:5-8 KJV  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.  (6)  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,  (7)  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.  (8)  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

The difference between a true servant and a false servant is: When the Holy Spirit revealed, rebuked, or reproved any preacher or God's servant for preaching or doing the wrong things, a true servant will repent; but a false servant will just change his mind, patch up his doctrines, window-dress his way of preaching, and go into lawless hibernation; but only to strike again with more deadly power when he is given the platform or the slightest opportunity to breathe out his lawlessness again like 'water' (Rev 12:15) or like the spirits of frogs (Rev 16:13) from of the mouth of false prophets. Do you know that frogs and snakes can all hibernate ? So can the dragon, false prophets, and lawless ones. Beware.

• 2Co 11:13-16 KJV  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.  (14)  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.  (15)  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.  (16)  I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.

Many of us think that, if we spoke with stammering lips previously and could now speak with better English, better languages, better tongues, more tongues, longer 'tongues', or smoother 'tongues', we would be more anointed. No, it is not about how good we can speak or how good is our tongue; but how good is what we preach or teach ? Both the 'snakes' and 'frogs' have better tongues. Yes, they may have longer 'tongues', smoother tongues, more tongues, or forked tongues, but they are not necessarily good preachers in the eyes of God.   Do you know why no one is good, except God ? It is because no one is good apart from God's commandments or God's words:

• Luk 18:18-28 KJV  And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?  (19)  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.  (20)  Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.  (21)  And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.  (22)  Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.  (23)  And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.  (24)  And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!  (25)  For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.  (26)  And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?  (27)  And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.  (28)  Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.

The 'hibernation' of the false prophets is a prophecy and a typology of false doctrines in the end time 
If you believe in the typology of Christ in the Old Testament devised by the radical grace preachers, you should be more warned by the typology of the false prophets in the New Testament and Revelation too, eg. in the forms of wolves in sheep skin, vipers, serpent, dragon, beast, hidden tares, anti-Christ, waterless well (2Pe 2:17), waterless clouds (Jud 1:12), and .. etc. Revelation 12:15-17 told us that the serpent or the dragon could spew 'water' to drown the churches including those who would keep God's commandments. Of course, water spewing from the serpent is just a figurative illustration of how the churches would be deceived to abandon God's laws or to keep no more God's commandments. It is about the lawless and effortless teaching which would try to replace the commandments of God. Of course, when I said, "You have spent your money like water", I mean it figuratively because you could have spent all your money freely and effortlessly. Similarly, 'water' in the Bible context here (Revelation 12:15-17) is a symbol lawlessness and 'effortless' philosophies in place of God's law and doctrine.
You may still ask, "What about the earth which (Rev 12:16) helped the woman, and the earth which opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."
I will say, The earth is the creation of God and it is under God's law. Hence, the lawlessness or false doctrines of the dragon would eventually fall to the ground because God's law will prevail. The lawlessness influence will be dissolved or incapacitated at the presence of God's words or God's laws. Yes, the dragon and his water (lawless attack) may suddenly disappear (and go into 'hibernation') but it will reappear in their final wave of attacks at the Armageddon:

• Rev 16:13-16 KJV  And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  (14)  For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.  (15)  Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.  (16)  And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (Thayer Definition: Armageddon = the hill or city of Megiddo or his precious fruit; declaring a message).

I will tell them, I am not against typology or the use of typology to teach others to know God, to obey God, or to do more for God. However, if the typology is used radically to replace God's law and commandments and to make the word of God of none effect, something is wrong. I will ask them, why do you insist that 'grace' can teach better or your typology of grace can teach better when you know that your teaching (to tell people to obey God, honour their parents, and love others are from God's words and commandments ? I don't think we need to beat around the bush, to repackage the words of the God, twist His commandments, and change them to something else. Do you think that teaching the people to obey God, to live Godly lives, to honour their parents without any use of the word 'law' or 'commandment' will make your teaching more 'gracious' and acceptable to the people ? No. If you tell your children to obey their parents, you are still teaching from God's law and commandment. You cannot lie and insist that the idea is from your own law or from own private revelation from God. If you know how to render to Caesar what is Caesar, so will you give to God what is God also ? I mean, the credit due to God should be God's.

• Mat 22:18-22 KJV  But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?  (19)  Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.  (20)  And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?  (21)  They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.  (22)  When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Hence, please tell the people honestly that all your teaching (eg. telling the people to worship God, to honour parents, to do good, and to love others) comes from God's written words and commandments, not from your own private revelation because of your special 'radical grace' anointing. Otherwise, you are just like the Pharisees who misled the people by abusing their trust, make lies, and make God's words and commandments of none effect:

• Mat 15:6 KJV  And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
• Mar 7:11-13 KJV  But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.  (12)  And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;  (13)  Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

   
Do you have the knowledge of the Lord or knowledge about the Lord ?
There is a big difference between how you know of the Lord and what you know about the Lord. They will say, "What's wrong to preach about Jesus? Yes, we are proud to preach about a more 'smiling' Jesus, a more sinner-friendly Jesus or a more 'user-friendly' Jesus, than any other Jesus. We are proud to preach about the knowledge of Jesus Christ, and the knowledge of Jesus Christ would set people free. Yes, we preach Jesus, Jesus, Jesus only..we are better than those who preach the laws.."
I will ask them, Yes, it is good to have the knowledge of Jesus Christ; but what kind of knowledge is it if there is no knowledge of what Jesus said or commanded ? It is just your vain knowledge about Christ, not the knowledge of Christ. However, if you read the Bible carefully, it is actually the knowledge of Christ, the mind of Christ, the thought of Christ, and the commandments of Christ; not just the knowledge about Christ or about who He is:

• 2Pe 1:2-3 KJV  Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,  (3)  According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
• 2Pe 1:7-12 KJV  And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.  (8)  For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.  (9)  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.  (10)  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:  (11)  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.  (12)  Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
• 2Pe 2:20-21 KJV  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.  (21)  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
• 2Pe 3:15-18 KJV  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;  (16)  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.  (17)  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.  (18)  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
• Heb 8:10-12 KJV  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:  (11)  And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.  (12)  For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
• Mat 7:21-23 KJV  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  (22)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  (23)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 
• Luk 6:46-48 KJV  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?  (47)  Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:  (48)  He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood (false doctrine) arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. (Hence, Jesus said clearly that He would not just want us to have right believing, right faith, right miracles, right preaching, or right confession only; he wants us to have right doing with His words too, because right doing would prove that we are His true disciples on the rock of salvation.)
• Rev 3:7-13 KJV  .. (8)  I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.  (9)  Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  (10)  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. ...
• Rev 14:11-13 KJV  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.  (12)  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.  (13)  And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.  

Those who have the knowledge of the Lord or really know the Lord are not those who just know who Jesus is, but those who keep His word and commandment with patience and have positive conviction of God's words and commandments.
I used to wonder why Heb 8:10-12 said, There is no need to teach others, Know the Lord, when we have the law of God in our hearts. Now I understand the reason when I see many false prophets who keep teaching and boasting in the name of Christ or with the knowledge about Christ. They would only call the name of Christ, Lord, Lord, but they would never have the conviction or the knowledge of Christ or the mind of Christ to do the commandments of God. 

• Php 2:4-7 KJV  Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.  (5)  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  (6)  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  (7)  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Yes, the Pharisees or the false prophets do have the knowledge about Christ; but they could never have the knowledge of Christ or the mind of Christ to do like Christ. Their knowledge is always puffed up as they would blare out arrogantly to tell everyone how anointed or how humbled they are. In contrast, a believer who truly have the knowledge of Christ or the mind of Christ will just do the works of Christ quietly and humbly, by taking on the form of a servant like Christ.

• Php 3:7-8 KJV  But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.  (8)  Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
• 2Pe 1:7-10 KJV  And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.  (8)  For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.  (9)  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.  (10)  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
• 2Pe 2:19-21 KJV  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.  (20)  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.  (21)  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 

They will say, "But the Bible said, We will just need to behold the Son of God. We will just need to behold Him and we would be made righteous. We don't even need to know who He is. Look at this: Num 21:9 KJV 'And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived...'  So, the Bible tells us that we don't have to work. We don't even have to know, teach, or do anything or any commandments; we will just behold and we will live .."
I will tell them, If this is what you think, May God help you. Please wake up. Are you still in the Old Testament? If you were Jews and you were in the Old Testament, yes, it is ok just to behold. But you are not a Jew and you are not under the Old Testament. It can never be applicable to you. Under the New Testament, all the Gentiles, including the Jews, must not just behold; we must do all the things that has been commanded by the Lord and this has been clearly commanded by the Lord Himself:

• Rev 22:13-16 KJV  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.  (14)  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.  (15)  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.  (16)  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
• Mat 28:19-20 KJV  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  (20)  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The righteousness of God is imputed only to those who will do the will of God because they will also do the works by faith:

• Jas 2:20-24 KJV  But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?  (21)  Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?  (22)  Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?  (23)  And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.  (24)  Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
  

The Bible will never contradict itself
They will say, "Please don't falsely accuse us as the lawless ones or condemn us for preaching 'lawless' grace. We still obey all the laws of our country. We don't kill and steal. We are law abiding people. We just tell people not to think of any law or to be law-conscious. We just tell people that we have no more law, no more keeping of God's commandments, and no more obedience by us, but by the obedience of Christ according to Rom 5:19. Is there any wrong if we preach 'pure grace' according to the Bible ? To be obedient means to hope, believe, and trust in God’s grace, not to do many laws or do, do, do..."
It is nothing wrong to preach according to the Bible. However, you will have to read your Bible again. I don't think Paul wanted us to have no more law or no more obedience when he wrote Rom 5:19. No, he wrote that we are no more under the law of the Old Covenant; but not no more law or no more obedience for us. Please think, If what you said is true, he would have contradicted himself when he told the believers to have God's laws in theirs hearts and obey God's commandments:

• Heb 8:10 KJV  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
• Heb 10:16-17 KJV  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;  (17)  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
• Eph 6:1-3 KJV  Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.  (2)  Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)  (3)  That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

Please think, if by one man's rebellion (or Adam's rebellion), sins can come into the whole world and so by Christ's obedience, we are made the righteousness of God by His obedience too, it would means that rebellion and obedience are both contagious. In another words, rebellion will begat (or multiply) rebellion and more rebellion, like obedience will begat obedience and more obedience from us too. How can we say that there is no more obedience from us or by us ? If you still think that by Christ's obedience is to do nothing or have nothing to do with our obedience, may I suggest you to read the following and do the following:

• 2Co 10:3-6 KJV  For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:  (4)  (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)  (5)  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;  (6)  And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
• Phm 1:19-21 KJV  I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.  ...  (21)  Having confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee, knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say.
• Heb 5:8-12 KJV  Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;  (9)  And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; .. (12)  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
• 1Pe 1:2 KJV  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

I will tell them, Please read all the Bible verses above again. Do you still think that to be obedient means to hope, believe, trust in God’s grace, and do nothing? Do you think that God would consider it obedience if he has no more laws for you to do or obey ? No, if there is no more law for you to obey, there is no more meaning for obedience. You would become the law yourselves and you would become lawless like Satan in the eyes of God.
Yes, you may think that we are falsely accusing you. But we are just trying to answer you because of your false accusations. Please think, If you can preach and accuse others for preaching obedience to God's commandments, the law gospel, or another gospel, you can't stop them from defending themselves and proving to you why they've preached the true gospel. Can you ? No, you have to be reasonable. 
You said that you are not lawless people. But lawless people will always start from lawless thoughts and lawless teaching ! Hitler and his armies started their invasion from one's person's lawlessness, lawless slogans, and lawless philosophies too.  Please look around the world now, do you know that lawless people or lawless corruption always multiplies in the countries where there is no law or order. And lawless countries would start from lawless mind, and lawless mind start from lawless instigation, from the lawless 'snake', from the garden of Eden ?  Similarly, if God's people or the churches have no more laws for the world or society, how can we still be the light and the salt of the earth ? There would be no schools, no teachers, and no good countries. We would be back to the lawless state in the world war 1 where countries will fight with countries and kingdom against kingdom as it will happen in the end time too:

• Mat 24:4-8 KJV  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  (5)  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.  (6)  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.  (7)  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.  (8)  All these are the beginning of sorrows.
• Mar 13:5-8 KJV  And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:  (6)  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.  (7)  And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.  (8)  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
• Luk 21:8-11 KJV  And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.  (9)  But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.  (10)  Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:  (11)  And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.  

We don't name names because we learned from 'those' who don't name names
Some of them will say, "I thought you say that you will name names. But I don't find any names here. How can you use this evil and wicked way to slap everyone behind your pulpit or platform just to get to some radical grace preachers you don't like. We don't do that in our churches. If we have found any dispute or misconduct from our church members, we would just call them out, discipline them, correct them, or reprove them privately. We don't smite everyone else behind our pulpits or their back .."
I will tell them,

• Firstly, I will name names if I think that I will have to name 'names'. That will be up to me. But I hope that I do not have to name any 'names' in the future. 
• Secondly, if you are the one whom I will name 'names', do you know that I have actually learnt this 'evil and wicked' way from you yourself when it seems that I am 'slapping' everyone just to get to you ? Do you know that you have slapped everyone behind your pulpit to get to some 'Pharisees' or law preachers too ? You may preach against the Pharisees but your real intention is to use the condemnation of the Pharisees to 'slap' everyone else who preach God's law and obedience to God's law. Yes, you may not name 'names', but you have used this so-called 'evil and wicked' way to get back at every God's preachers too.
• Thirdly, I don't name names because it's my own way of releasing my frustration when I cannot name names at those who keep accusing those who name names with their so-called 'glorious' and 'no condemnation' teaching. Yes, everyone thinks that they are very 'gracious, anointed, and spiritual'. But deep within me, I know they are 'boastful, lawless, and hyper-religious'. They accused all others who hide behind law teaching and condemnation doctrine to accuse others; but they themselves would hide behind their copyright law to stop others from uploading any videos or information about their lawlessness or evasive preaching.  

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