Tuesday, 13 May 2014

Can we condemn sins or preach against sins?

Can we condemn sins or preach against sins?
God hates sin. Jesus hates sins. The Bible hates sins. The word of God hates sins. They condemn sins. So, I don't see any reason why we cannot preach against sins.
Radical grace preachers would argue, "But God loves sinners, Jesus loves sinners, the Bible loves sinners, and the word of God loves sinners too. Why should we condemn the sin that is in the sinners. We should preach grace instead of sin. If we do that, we would save the whole world effortlessly. Everyone would love to come to Jesus. Don't you think that this is better than preaching repentance or condemnation of sin which turns everyone away.."
I will tell them, If you have problem condemning sin, it does not mean that God cannot condemn sin. Yes, God loves all sinners including the woman who committed adultery in John 8:11-12, but you cannot use that account to conclude that everyone who preaches against sin would condemn people like the Pharisees. If someone raped your children and we preach against that crime, does it mean that we are condemnation preachers like the Pharisees. No, as long as we are God's preachers, we will condemn any sin or crime which is lawlessness against the commandments of God, and we are certainly God's preachers who love the people so much so that we would still preach the commandments of the Lord to keep them from condemnation, even though we would become unpopular.


Jesus condemned sin and He would judge the believers more severely if they sin wilfully with His grace and with the thinking that they can never be condemned
When Jesus told the woman who committed adultery to sin no more, He showed that He would condemn sins too. If the woman took His grace to justify herself to sin again and again in the future, I am sure that Jesus Himself would judge her and her sins. Similarly, Jesus would condemn sin and condemn anyone who takes His grace to justify himself to sin continuously too. Jesus confirmed with His words that that person would become more condemned than before or worst than before:
  • Joh 5:14 KJV  Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
  • Joh 8:11-12 KJV  She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.  (12)  Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Yes, both the man and woman above received great forgiveness. Did Jesus tell them, "Hello, haha, congratulation, your sins have been totally forgiven, past, present, and future. Don't worry about sin any more. My grace and forgiveness would lead you to sin no more and you can never fall. Just enjoy life and have abundance of grace. Go and prosper with the favour of God." No, instead Jesus gave them the warning and commandment to sin no more. He had been preaching the same warning to everyone even if some might think that they were more righteous than others:
  • Luk 13:1-9 KJV  .. (2)  And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?  (3)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.  (4)  Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?  (5)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.  (6)  He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.  (7)  Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?  (8)  And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:  (9)  And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
 
The Bible condemns sin
Many radical grace preachers would tell the people in the end time, "No, the Bible never condemns sins. If the Bible condemns sins, it is condemning the world or the non-believes. Those Bible verses are not for us.. We can ignore those condemnation or warnings.. We will just read Paul letters and the gospel that Paul preached. We are told to think of grace only.." I will ask them, Please read your Bible again. Are you sure that Paul did not condemn sins? Of course, we can find many Bible verses which condemn sins.
Now, if Paul and all the Apostles have condemned sins, can we condemn sins? Of course, we can:
  • Rom 6:1-4 KJV  What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  (2)  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?  (3)  Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?  (4)  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (Please think, If Paul preached it so clearly here that we should never sin with the justification of grace to sin even more, how can we preach that the gospel of grace is too good to be true or it is so good that people can think that it is licence to sin? No, if it always gives people the wrong impression that they can sin, it is not the gospel of Jesus Christ or the gospel that Paul preached. It is the gospel that the serpent preached.)
  • Heb 10:26-29 KJV  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,  (27)  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  (28)  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:  (29)  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
  • Heb 6:4-6 KJV  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,  (5)  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,  (6)  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
  • 2Pe 2:18-22 KJV  For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.  (19)  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.  (20)  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.  (21)  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.  (22)  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 
  • Act 20:28-31 KJV  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.  (29)  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.  (30)  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.  (31)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
  • Mat 18:32-33 KJV  Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:  (33)  Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
  • Mat 7:15-23 KJV  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.  ..  (20)  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.  (21)  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  (22)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  (23)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
  • Luk 6:46-48 KJV  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?  (47)  Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:  (48)  He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood (false doctrine) arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. (Hence, Jesus said clearly that He would not just want us to have right believing, right faith, right miracles, right preaching, or right confession only; he wants us to have right doing with His words too, because right doing would prove that we are His true disciples on the rock of salvation.)
  • Mat 25:11-13 KJV  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.  (12)  But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.  (13)  Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. ..Mat 25:26-28 KJV  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:  (27)  Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.  (28)  Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. .. Mat 25:44-46 KJV  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?  (45)  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.  (46)  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
  • Mat 13:41-43 KJV  The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;  (42)  And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.  (43)  Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
The Bible verses above are very obvious and serious condemnation against the believers or servants in the churches who sin wilfully, live in sins,  or rebel without taking heed to the words or commands of the Lord. How can we say that the Bible never condemns sins. Now, if I would list down all the Bible verses which condemn sins and command us to turn from sins, I will probably find another thousand of them.. Please think now, If the whole Bible has so many Bible verses which condemn sins, can we, or should we preach against sins? Of course, we should.
However, some radical grace preachers who wish to portrait that they are more gracious than others would just want to accuse God's preachers who condemn sin or preach against sin. Many radical grace preachers have, in one way or another, disproved or disapproved the Bible verses above about God's judgement and warning against those who continue to sin wilfully. The radical grace preachers may claim that they could never sin wilfully, but in actual fact, they have already become the spokemen or spokewomen for the 'believers' who sin wilfully, and knowingly or unknowingly stood with the sinners to condemn all God's preachers who preach against sins.     


Are we in the light or out of the light if we sin?
Radical grace preachers will still argue, "But John said we are in the light. If we believe in Him, we are in the light. So, if we are in the light, can we be out of the light ? When you sin, will you be out of the light? And then when you confess your sins, you will be back to the light again? No, this is ridiculous. Can a believer be switching in between light and darkness? One moment he is in the light and another moment in darkness? No, It's impossible. We are always in the light and sin will never be able to put us out of the light if we sin. Hence, we do not need to condemn sins or preach against sins .. Hence, even when we sin, we sin in the light. It also means that we can never be out of darkness even if we sin. The blood of Jesus will keep us in the light even if we sin.."
  • 1Jn 1:5-7 KJV  This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.  (6)  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:  (7)  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
I will ask them, Do you read other Bible verses. I don't care if you define the 'we' in the above as true believers, agnostic believers, false believers, or Jewish believers; but we must read it together with the word 'if'. Hence, 'If we' means that it does not matter if you are a believer, false believer, or true believer; 'if you' walk in the light, you are a true believer. However, 'if you' walk in darkness, you are a false believer. Now, let's look at more Bible verses written by John:
  • 1Jn 1:8-10 KJV  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  (9)  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  (10)  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
  • 1Jn 2:3 KJV  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
  • 2Jn 1:6-10 KJV  And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.  (7)  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.  (8)  Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.  (9)  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.  (10)  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
John was not concerned if you are a true believer or false believer in the churches. If you confess your sins and walk after His commandments, you are in the light. If you are in the light now, and if you decide that you would no longer walk after His commandments, can you argue that, since you are in the light, you can never be in darkness if you no longer walk after His commandments. No, it would show us that you are not a true believer now. We don't have to make the words of God complicated. We just know from the words of God that if you do not walk after His commandments now, you were not in the light at all or you have just departed from the light now.
Hence, if you sin, we can condemn sin, even if you think that you can never be condemned because you are forever in the light or protected by the blood of Jesus. Similarly, we will condemn anyone too if any one of us sin. We will not bother to find out if those who sinned are true believers, agnostic believers, or false believers; but if they rape or murder, we will condemn it. Do you have problem with such condemnation of sin? You have problem with any condemnation of sin because you know that you will sin, but you do not have the intention to repent. Hence, you will not condemn sins or anyone who sins. In fact, you will not condemn any false doctrine or lawless principles too. You want to give people the false impression that you are a gracious preacher who can 'smile' like the 'happy God' that you preached too.
Have we thought why John said, If we confess our sins .. and Paul said, If we sin wilfully..? Does it mean that John always confessed sins or Paul always sinned wilfully? No. We can say that they hardly sinned. But does it mean that they are saying it to the agnostic believers and therefore their warnings are not applicable to us? No. They are saying it to us and their warnings are for us. Please think, When a father warned his kid and said, "Son, if we drink and take drugs, we will get drunk, get addicted, and regret one day..", does it mean that the father had taken drugs? No. We can say that the father had never taken drugs or hardly took any drugs. But does it mean that the father could only say it to other kids and therefore his warning was not applicable to his own kid? No. It is ridiculous to twist the warning of the father and ocnvince the kid that his father's warning was not for him. Similarly, it is ridiculous to twist the words of God in Heb 10:26 and 1 John 1:9 and convince God's children that God's warnings are no more applicable to them.
I will talk about Heb 10:26 again in more detailed later. But can we twist it and argue that this warning is not for God's people? No, it says very clearly that God will judge His people; not other people. When He used the comparison of a sorer punishment, He confirmed again that He was comparing and warning two of His people - one who despised Moses' law under the Old Covenant, and another who will dishonour the Spirit of grace under the New Covenant. Please think, who were able to despised Moses' law? Of course, nobody except the Jews or God's people who were given the law? Similarly, who can dishonour the Spirit of grace? Of course, no one, except God's people who have been given the grace of God too?
  • Heb 10:26-30 KJV  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,  (27)  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  (28)  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:  (29)  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?  (30)  For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

If we sin, we don't confess righteousness or confess like the Pharisee; we confess sin
Is it wrong to confess sins? One of the most obvious problem with the radical grace teaching is their confusing 'ding dong bell' stands on their needs to confess sins. If you asked them, "Do you sin?" they will give you all kinds of replies, for example,
  1. they may initially say, "We can never sin or have any sin to confess; that's why we will never need to confess our sins. 1 John 1:9 is not for the believers. Jesus has forgiven all our sins past, present, and future.."
  2. then sometime later, they will switch their stand and say, "Of course, only the stupid fool would say that they can never sin? We all sin and can still sin. That's why I won't guarantee that I will never look at a woman without lust or commit adultery. There are too many people in our churches who commit adulteries. We won't judge all of them. There is still grace for them..."
However, the problem appears when we ask them, So, if you agree that no one is perfect, do you agree that you may still sin too even if you think that you are always in the light? If you think that you are always in the light and that you are a believer when you sin, do you think that 1 John 1:9 is for you? If 1 John 1:9 is not for you, please tell me what will you do if you sinned? Confess righteousness instead of confessing sins? But, please think, How will you feel if your employees did something wrong and they would only confess that they were right? Hence, I don't think that God has promised forgiveness of sins to everyone who think that they are right and confessing that they are right?
Yes, we know that the believers are sons and daughters in the eyes of God. But are we sons already with the full nature of Christ and authority? No, we are still far from it although we are called the sons or the righteousness of God. We are still not that righteous in our thoughts and deeds yet. If we are not there yet, we are still sinners who must learn to admit sins, humble ourselves, and receive grace daily.
  • 1Jn 3:1-9 KJV  Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.  (2)  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.  (3)  And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.  (4)  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.  (5)  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.  (6)  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.  (7)  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  (8)  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.  (9)  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
What did John mean when he said in 1 Jn 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him? If we sin, does it mean that we are no more in Christ? No. John meant that no one in Christ would want to sin or abide in sin. If we abide in sin, we cannot abide in Christ. However, because of the weakness of the flesh, some of us would still sin. Hence, if we sin and confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us us all our sins. That's why 1 John 1:9 is still for the believers who sin. We still need to tell the believers to depart from their sins, confess their sins, and turn from their sins, unless they are totally perfect like Christ, which is not possible yet.
I will tell the radical grace preachers, If you said that, in your marriage seminar, you still teach the wives and husbands to be faithful to one another, to sin not, or to live pure and holy life in Christ, I don't see any reason you can just falsely accuse all those who preach against sin, condemnation of sins, confession of sins, repentance, turning from sins, and holiness teaching as condemnation preachers? Who told you that when you asked the people to live holy life in your marriage seminar, it was called grace teaching; but if God's preachers telling others from their pulpits, to live holy life and sin not, it became law-based teaching?
I will tell the radical grace preachers, Many of you think that the sinner in Luk 18:10-14 confessed his sins to be forgiven. But Jesus did not just look at the confession; He looked at his heart. He saw humility in him.
  • Luk 18:10-14 KJV  Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.  (11)  The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.  (12)  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.  (13)  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.  (14)  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Hence, I would think that confession of sin is not just confession by words only; it can be an action (like water baptism before the people or like Zacchaeus' recompense to those he had cheated), or an attitude with repentance in the heart too. If you saw many people who confessed sins hypocritically and whispered their confession meaninglessly like the 'birds', it does not mean that all confession of sin is useless and that it will make everyone confess and behave like the hypocrites.   


Can the Holy Spirit convict sins, rebuke sins, or condemn sins?
If we agree that we can condemn sins and should condemn sins, why can't God or the Holy Spirit condemn sins ? If God can condemn sins, God can convict anyone who sins too. If God or the Holy Spirit cannot convict or judge people who sin, He is not God. Only Satan cannot convict or judge people who sin. It's because he loves sin and those who sin against God. 
Most radical grace preachers do not believe that the Holy Spirit can convict them of sins. They believe that the Holy Spirit will instead comfort them if they sinned, so that they will not sin again? The Holy Spirit may correct them in such a way that they would no longer feel any sin conscience or any need to repent or confess their sin; but that they would just feel more and more loved to sin no more.
I will tell them, If God or the Holy Spirit cannot convict us of sins,  He is not God or the judge any more. If every believers will only want to hear God or the Holy Spirit to plead with them not to sin, God has suddenly become more inferior than us. Do you think that God would give His laws, change His laws, or keep His laws to please us, to make us comfortable, or to serve us better ? If God has to do all these, God is no longer our Father, He is our 'servant'. Yes, you can quote the parable of the parable of the prodigal son to show how much God loves the rebellious younger son or the lawless son. However, do you think that Jesus would tell us that we should continue to live like the prodigal son in the kingdom of God? No, no matter how much we know that our Father would love, we must turn back from our sinful way, from our lawlessness, from our rebellion, and from the world, to go back to our Father. If we still love the world and continue to live like the rebellious son or lawless son, we have not repented yet and we are still far from home. 
Please think, If the Holy Spirit can convict the prodigal son, a sinner or a lawless character, to turn back to the Father, can the Holy Spirit convict us too? Of course yes. When the Holy Spirit convicts a person, He would make the person see His wrong and feel it so bad that he would not mind settling for something less. The prodigal son was convicted because he felt humble enough to change from his previous arrogant thinking of himself as the master's son to the thinking of himself as a servant of his father's house. This is repentance and it could come from the conviction of the Holy Spirit. So, What's wrong with the conviction of the Holy Spirit which can make us, whether we be the sinners or believers, to feel so bad, so humbled, or so wrong, that we would make a drastic change from our wrong thinking to right thinking, or from wrong doing to right doing ? No, there is nothing wrong. At least, we know that that was what had occurred in the repentance of both the prodigal son, Zacchaeus, the sinner in Luke 18, and the sinners who heard the preaching of Peter:
  • Luk 15:17-19 KJV  And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!  (18)  I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,  (19)  And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
  • Luk 18:13-14 KJV  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.  (14)  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
  • Luk 19:8-10 KJV  And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.  (9)  And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.  (10)  For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
  • Act 2:37-40 KJV  Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?  (38)  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.  (39)  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.  (40)  And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Please think, Why would the Lord or the Holy Spirit reprove, convict, or rebuke the people or the churches in the world ('kosmos') of sins? Is it to just condemn them or torture them for enjoyment. Of course, no. However, the radical grace preachers have wrongly interpreted the conviction of the Holy Spirit in John 16:8 as torture and condemnation and that, therefore, the conviction and reproof of the  Holy Spirit is not for them. I will tell them, Of course, the Holy Spirit did not come to condemn or judge the world yet; He came to speak, show, and convince the whole world ('kosmos' - all those who are in the world, including both the sinners and the churches) of sin, of righteousness, and of judgement. Of sin because it is sin or lawlessness not to believe in Him or His doctrine. Of righteousness because He is the Righteous One who will depart from the world and go to the Father. Of judgement because He will come back to judge the prince of the world in the future, and the Holy Spirit will speak and show the churches that all these will come to pass. But radical grace preachers will take these Bible verses, split them, pervert the interpretation, and convince the world that these Bible verses are not for them, in order to show the world that they can never be reproved, corrected, or rebuked by the Holy Spirit:
  • Joh 16:7-13 KJV  Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.  (8)  And when he is come, he will reprove the world ('kosmos') of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:  (9)  Of sin, because they believe not on me;  (10)  Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;  (11)  Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.  (12)  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.  (13)  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
  • Rev 3:18-19 KJV  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.  (19)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
  • Heb 12:4-11 KJV  Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.  (5)  And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:  (6)  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  (7)  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?  (8)  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.  (9)  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?  (10)  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.  (11)  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Hence, I will tell them, I don't think anyone can deny that Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit can convict sins. If Jesus could convict the Pharisees by writing on the ground with His fingers and cause the Pharisees to leave one by one before Him (Joh 8:8-9), He can convict anyone in the world ('kosmos'), including the self-righteous believers, gnostic believers, agnostic believers, carnal believers, false believers, lying believers, worldly believers, or any kind of believers who think and argue that they can never be the sinners of the world and, therefore, they can never sin or do not have any sin to be convicted by the Holy Spirit.
(see "It is normal to have godly sorrow or conviction against sins in true repentance" in my previous post here.)

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Monday, 12 May 2014

Should we think of more grace or more law?

Should we think of more grace or more law?
I will tell the radical grace preachers, Of course, I have no problem with more thinking of grace or more thinking of the laws. I also have no problem with those who think of grace only, or law only.
However, I find it disgusting when some people think of grace but they are not gracious at all. They think and speak of grace but their behaviours are not consistent with what they think or say. They were demanding on others, but 'gracious' to themselves. They make others work harder and walk the extra miles for them; but they would do the minimum because they want to please only themselves. They want effortless job; but push the mundane and difficult tasks to others. Yes, their minds are full of radical grace; but their hearts are far away from the law of God. They would ask, "Who is my neighbour?" They would always question God and argue, "Why do you still talk about the law of God when there is no more law for us?" whenever they are told to keep the law of God:
  • Luk 10:25-37 KJV  And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?  (26)  He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?  (27)  And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.  (28)  And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.  (29)  But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?  (30)  And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.  (31)  And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.  (32)  And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.  (33)  But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,  (34)  And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.  (35)  And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.  (36)  Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?  (37)  And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Are there believers or servants who just think of grace without God's laws in their hearts?
Of course, certainly yes. In fact, there are more and more such believers today than the early churches. When Jesus told us the parable of the servant who desired grace and forgiveness of sins, we thought he was the minority. But now we know why the Lord preached it as a parable - it was a prophecy about the believers who have known grace; but would refuse to keep the law of God and love their neighbour as themselves:
  • Mat 18:32-35 KJV  Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:  (33)  Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?  (34)  And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.  (35)  So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
a. justification by faith or by grace is only the beginning of a believer's forgiven life so that he can do more with the words and commandments of God in his life. The grace for cancellation of debts or forgiveness of debts is not given so that we can have more future debts or more future lawlessness. It is certainly not an excuse or license to have more future sins with no more repentance (or to sin wilfully). 
  • Luk 13:2-10 KJV  And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?  (3)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.  (4)  Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?  (5)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.  (6)  He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.  (7)  Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?  (8)  And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:  (9)  And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.  (10)  And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
b. Grace is not forever - it is given for the purpose of repentance, turning back to God's commandments, keeping God's laws, and doing His words. Grace is not given for the purpose of enjoying or living in lawlessness forever. Grace is not there forever if we are forever lawless in our hearts or minds. However, if we repent, keep the commandments of God, and live with the laws of God in our hearts and minds, God will remember all our lawlessness no more and He will be our God forever: 
  • Heb 10:16-17 LITV  "This is the covenant which I will covenant to them after those days, says the Lord: Giving My Laws on their hearts, and I will write them on their minds;"  (17)  also He adds, "I will not at all still remember their sins" and their lawlessnesses. ..  
  • Heb 8:10 LITV  Because this is the covenant which I will covenant with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord, giving My Laws into their mind, and I will write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." 
  • Luk 19:8-10 LITV  But standing, Zaccheus said to the Lord, Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor. And if in anything I accused anyone falsely, I restore it fourfold.  (9)  And Jesus said to him, Today salvation has come to this house, for he also is a son of Abraham.  (10)  For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the one being lost.
Hence, the cancellation of debt or forgiveness of debt is not given so that a believer can have more future debt or lawlessness forever. It is certainly not an excuse or license to have more future sin or lawlessness without any repentance. However, many preachers have deceived the believers into thinking that they can literally expect forgiveness of all their future sins, and even supernatural cancellation of all their future financial debts, if they will just radically believe or do and teach their 'holy communion's blood cleansing' ritual, 'pure grace' confession, 'supernatural' favour, 'mind changing' philosophy, or 'false repentance' to disregard and to 'repent' from all the laws and commandments of God. I did write about some preachers who have managed to quote the Bible out of context and capitalise on this 'supernatural' deception or 'cancellation of debts' to transfer effortless wealth to themselves. (see "Supernatural cancellation of debts - Is it really a supernatural transfer of wealth, a religious gimmick, or just a vain religious boasting?" in my previous post here.)
So, if you ask me again, Should we think of more grace or more law? My answer is still the same. It doesn't matter to me if you think of more grace or more law. What matters is, Do you have the law of God in your hearts while you think of grace or law? Will you keep and do the law of God while thinking of grace or law? If not, you are worse than a Pharisee who did not know grace. If you know grace and yet you reject the law of God to love others, you are still a hypocrite even though you may claim that you are a radical grace preacher.
Hence, the thinking of grace is not necessary always better than the thinking of God's laws. On the other hand, thinking of God's laws or having His laws in our minds does not mean that we will always live like the Pharisees too. If we really have the laws of God in our minds, we would have the intention to keep the laws of God. We will have the love of God in our minds to love according to His laws too. However, if we do not think of having any law or keeping any law of God to love others, it is unlikely that we have any intention, thinking, or heart to love others too. This is just plan reasoning. 
Hence, the words of the Lord is very clear to us. But, what's the point of having lots of grace only to become an antinomian who has no more law and repentance in our minds? We would be only as good as the non-believers who do not know the Lord.
Joseph, Moses, king David, king Solomon, and king Saul had all received grace and favour from God. Does it mean that they were better than the non-believers? No, They had all done wrong and sinned with murder, adultery, pride,  ignorance, rash behaviours, and disobedience, but God still chose Joseph, Moses, and king David to be the leaders of His people. Why? They repented. However, they would be worst than king Solomon or king Saul if they refused to repent and change. Similarly, if we have committed sin, murder, or adultery, and have received the grace of God, we must repent and change too; otherwise we would be worst than the non-believers.


We do not just think; we do and teach the law and doctrine of Christ
Many think that the parable of the good Samaritan is the Lord's parable to tell the believers to do only the law of Christ and not the law of God. However, if you read the parable again, you would know that the commandment to love thy neighbour as thyself was already the law of God written and understood by most of the Pharisees and scribes at that time: Luk 10:25-37 KJV And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?  (26)  He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?  (27)  And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.  (28)  And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live... This showed that the lawyer quoted from the scripture which had taught them the commandment to love thy neighbours as thyself too. Hence, Jesus did not give us any new law or different law. He just quoted from the scripture and hence, He did not come to destroy the law and prophets. He came to fulfil and accomplish it, to make the law of God more remembered and more established in the hearts and minds of the believers:
  • Heb 10:16-17 KJV  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;  (17)  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Do we have to remember the Ten Commandments by heart? No, we do not need to remember all the Ten Commandments the 'hard' way. Jesus has made it easy for us to remember God's laws. However, He would not condemn us even if we cannot remember His laws with the perfect words or sequence. He is more concerned if we have the law of God in our hearts or the Spirit of God to do and teach His words. It is impossible for us to memorize all the words of God in the scripture, but that does not mean that all the written words of God have become obsolete and therefore they are inapplicable to us. Similarly, the Ten Commandments could be hard to remember, it does not mean that they are obsolete and inapplicable to us too. In fact, all the Ten Commandments are still applicable to us, not only to the churches, but to the whole world in one way or another too (in upholding the law of our country). How can we pervert this truth and lie that the law of God is no longer applicable to churches or the world? Do you know how do we teach the doctrine of Christ? It is based on the law of God and the scripture too. Those who preach that we have no more law is blind and hypocritical:
  • Joh 7:16-18 KJV  Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.  (17)  If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.  (18)  He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
  • Mar 4:2 KJV  And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
  • Mar 12:38 KJV  And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
  •  Rom 6:17-18 KJV  But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.  (18)  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
  • Rom 16:17 KJV  Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
  • 1Ti 4:15-16 KJV  Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.  (16)  Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
  • 1Ti 6:1 KJV  Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
  • 1Ti 6:3 KJV  If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
  • 2Ti 3:16-17 KJV  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:  (17)  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
  • 2Ti 4:2-5 KJV  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.  (3)  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  (4)  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.  (5)  But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
  • Tit 2:1 KJV  But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: .. (7) In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,.. (10) Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.  (11)  For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,  (12)  Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; .. (15) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
  • Heb 5:12 KJV  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. .. Heb 6:1-3 KJV  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,  (2)  Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.  (3)  And this will we do, if God permit.
  • 2Jn 1:9-11 KJV  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.  (10)  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:  (11)  For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 
  • Rev 2:14-16 KJV  But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.  (15)  So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.  (16)  Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. (What is the doctrine that Jesus hate? Is it the doctrine of the law of God? No, it is the doctrine of idols, fornication, and lawlessness !)
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The doctrine of Christ would never tell us to just know Him, look at Him, and behold Him
Did the Bible say that the Holy Spirit can teach, Jesus can teach, or grace can teach? Of course, yes. But did the Bible say that grace can teach, and therefore law cannot teach or the doctrine of Christ cannot teach? No, on the contrary, we still need to teach more with the law and doctrine of Christ. I don't think that anyone can dispute with all the 'doctrine' words in the Bible verses above and replace them with the 'grace' words and argue that grace can teach better instead.
  • Heb 8:10-12 KJV  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:  (11)  And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.  (12)  For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (God would forgive our sins because we have the law of God, and we would do and teach the law of God instead of just know or think of the Lord.)
We don't just tell people to know the Lord or the Holy Spirit. Neither do we tell people to behold the Lord, look at the Lord, and do nothing, for everyone will know the Lord. But we tell the people to do and teach His laws and doctrine. The Bible verses above have shown us very clearly that we must still teach His doctrine. Do you know where did Jesus Christ get His doctrine?
Most radical grace preachers argue that we must tell the believers to do practical things by replacing all the teaching of His doctrine with the teaching of His grace instead. But I would think otherwise. If we replace all the doctrine of Christ with grace and teach only grace, we are not teaching His doctrine; we are teaching our own doctrine.


God has given us the same commandment at two different mountains
God have given us the same commandments; but they are in two different covenants. However, many of us think that "God has given us two different things at two different mountains at two different times. From Mount Sinai, the Israelites received the Ten Commandments and the Old Covenant; but from Mount Zion, grace."
  • Heb 12:20-22 KJV  (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:  (21)  And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)  (22)  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
I will tell them, If you want to be more accurate with the interpretation with your typology, you should consider Mount Tabor also. It is because when Jesus transfigured and shone like the sun at the high mountain which is now believed to be Mount Tabor, it was the same picture (typology) when Moses was about to give God's commandments to the people. But the Israelites rejected God and His commandments when they worshipped the golden calf:
  • Mat 17:1-2 KJV  And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,  (2)  And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
  • Mat 23:37-38 KJV  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!  (38)  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 
  • Heb 10:16-17 KJV  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;  (17)  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

God gave us His Son so that His words will live in us
Hence, God gave the laws to the Israelites through Moses at Mount Sinai. God has also given His laws to us through Jesus Christ. The difference is not in the laws. The difference is that the laws given to the Israelites were written in stones under the Old Covenant through Moses; but the laws given to us are written in our hearts and minds under the New Covenant through Jesus Christ. One is of the letter; the other is of the Spirit. One is from Mount Sinai; the other is from Mount Olive.
  • 2Co 3:6-18 KJV  Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.  (7)  But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:  (8)  How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?  (9)  For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.  (10)  For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.  (11)  For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.  (12)  Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:  (13)  And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:  (14)  But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.  (15)  But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.  (16)  Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.  (17)  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.  (18)  But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
One is of the ministration of death because it is no longer a valid covenant after it has been taken over or replaced  by the New Covenant; the other has now become the living testimony of Jesus Christ in all the believers.
  •  Rev 12:17 KJV  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
One was destroyed and broken into pieces because of Israelites' sins, but it was given again as the commandments to be put into the ark of covenant. The other was crucified and killed because of our sins, but He was resurrected and He became the laws in the hearts of the believers. He is the Word who came in the flesh - the bread of life, the commandment, and the rod of authority in the hearts of the believers.
  • Exo 32:19 KJV  And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.
  • Exo 34:1 KJV  And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.


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Friday, 9 May 2014

Have we made the world to become more and more lawless, or more and more free..?

Have we made the world to become more and more lawless, or more and more 'free' to depart from God's law and glory ?
Yes, I believe that the churches have the power to change the world for God, or for Satan. Unfortunately, more and more preachers think that they can change the world to be a better world with no more law (with radical grace instead). But common sense tells us that a country, a community, a church, a charity organisation, or a world, which has no more law can never be possible. Even the churches which believe and preach radical grace or prosperity may still have more laws, rules, and internal governance than other churches. Only blind believers would listen to their preachers who tell them that their churches can believe and function better than other churches because they have no more law or believe in no more law. Please think, If your churches still need many laws, bookkeeping principles, or internal governance to keep track of your church's financial transactions, don't you think that it is more effective if those who do the finance in your churches, eg. your finance directors, accountants, account assistants, bookkeepers, or pastors, have God's laws in their hearts too. If the churches still need the laws, internal governance, non-profitable organisation law, or society law from the secular world, don't you think that they need the laws of God more?   
Many of us think that the world or a society would become lawless only if there is no more law or no more order. But this is not necessary true. A country or a person can be lawless in God's eyes when he departed from God's laws. Adam and Eve did not do any lawless deeds (only their children and descendants started to become lawless). However, in God's eyes and in their own eyes, Adam and Eve knew that they have departed from the glory of God and become 'clothless' or lawless the moment they departed from God's command.
Yes, Jesus came to call the sinners to repentance. But, do we know that He came to call His believers to light or glory too? He would then call His disciples, His servants, or those who preach the gospel, to bring others to His light and glory too? What is His light?
  • Joh 1:1-2 KJV  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (2)  The same was in the beginning with God...  (14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth...  (3:19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.  (20)  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.  (21)  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. 
  • Mat 5:14-19 KJV  Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.  (15)  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.  (16)  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.  (17)  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.  (18)  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.  (19)  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 
It is clear to us that Jesus came to bring the light to the world. What is the light? and Why is it the light? It is the light because Jesus wants us not only to do and teach it; He wants us to shine like the light too. It is God's commandment. Hence, He said it repeatedly and emphatically that He did not come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfil it (to accomplish it, to build on it, to bring it to pass, to show it, to preach it, to do it, to keep it ...). The plan of God can be clearly seen right from the beginning when God said, "Let there be light and there was light .." (Genesis 1:3). Then God gave Adam and Eve His command which was the glory or light that clothed them from their nakedness. Then God gave His covenants, first to the Israelites through Moses, then to the whole world through His Son Jesus Christ. That's why Adam and Eve departed from God's command, they sinned and it was considered as being fallen from God's glory too.
  • Rom 3:23 KJV  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Hence, we must go back to the glory which clothes us again. In the gospel, Jesus could have referred it as the 'wedding garment' that we must wear before the King of Glory, lest we will be drove out from His presence again, like Adam and Eve:
  •  Mat 22:11-14 KJV  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:  (12)  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.  (13)  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.  (14)  For many are called, but few are chosen.
Hence, God's created light (or His law of the universe), His command to Adam and Eve, His law of the old covenant, and the law of the new covenant, would all bring us to the realisation of a truth: It is God's will for men to keep His laws and commandments; it is not His will for anyone to depart from His laws and commandments. When God first created the light (before He gave us His laws and commandments), He has already laid down the 'blueprint' (or the foundation) that His laws must be kept by all men.


God's glory is not just measured based on how much law we can do; but it is also based on how much God's law we have in our hearts
Now, please look around, Has the preachers of the churches today brought more light to the people, or more darkness instead? I am afraid, They brought darkness. It's because they brought freedom or lawlessness that will make them feel good when they depart from God's laws and commandments. They might think that they are helping people to experience victory in life, but they did not realise that they are helping them to wander further and further away from God's command, glory, and the light of Christ.
Many of us think that the world would become lawless only when there is no more law or no more order. But this is not necessary true. A country or a person can be lawless in God's eyes when he departed from God's laws.  I have shown how Adam and Eve became lawless before the world became lawless and reaped the fruit of its consequence in its future generations.
Now, please look around again, Have we become better than Adam and Eve because we have more laws or better laws today. NO. We can still become as lawless as Adam and Eve even though we have more laws than the Pharisees. God would not measure or count our lawlessness based on the amount of laws or the lack of laws (that we we can do or we cannot do). He would look at our heart because our heart is the place where every good thing or evil thing will start before the fruit of it will finally appear. That's why God would still want to put His laws in our heart at the end of His plan or covenant. And when that happen (when the laws are put into our hearts and minds), our sins and lawlessness will not be there any more. It will not be remembered any more:
  • Heb 10:16-18 KJV  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;  (17)  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.  (18)  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
  • Mat 7:15-23 KJV  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.  (16)  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?  (17)  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.  (18)  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.  (19)  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.  (20)  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.  (21)  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  (22)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  (23)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
  • Luk 6:46-48 KJV  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?  (47)  Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:  (48)  He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood (false doctrine) arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. (Hence, Jesus said clearly that He would not just want us to have right believing, right faith, right miracles, right preaching, or right confession only; he wants us to have right doing with His words too, because right doing would prove that we are His true disciples on the rock of salvation.)
  • Mat 12:33-37 KJV  Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.  (34)  O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.  (35)  A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.  (36)  But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.  (37)  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
A country can have many laws; but, what's the use if the laws are not from God's laws? The Pharisees and the Jews might have God's laws. But what's the use if they did not know the importance of God's laws and follow God's laws in their hearts. Hence, when a less developed country has more lawless activities than another which is more developed, we may not jump into the conclusion that the less developed country has no law or that they have less law than other countries; we may ask deeper question, "How much God's laws do they have in the hearts of the people?"
(I have just read something which is quite relevant for this reflection today - read the news here: kidnap of the school girls in Nigeria from The Washington Post. Maybe we should ask the question and find out if laws or God's laws is still relevant to our countries and churches?)   


Jesus preached about Judgement and Judgement of God has not become obsolete yet
Some radical grace preachers said, "No, we have greater glory if we have grace instead of the laws. Contrary to what you said, God's glory is not measured based on the amount of laws in your hearts; it is based on the amount of grace in your hearts. If you have no grace, you have no glory. But, if we have more grace, we have more glory .. Hence, all the grace churches today will shine brighter and brighter than other churches who have less grace. Why? It's because they have laws, and laws mixed with grace will pollute or dilute grace and the gospel of God. Generally, we are the true churches. God will not judge His churches. Everyone who believe is saved and sound. We will shine brighter and brighter as the sons of God. We can never fall because of the grace of God .. haha.. rejoice.."
I will tell them, I know which scripture you will use to support what you said. But, did you read it properly?
  • Mat 13:36-51 KJV  Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.  (37)  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;  (38)  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;  (39)  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.  (40)  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  (41)  The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;  (42)  And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.  (43)  Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.  (44)  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.  (45)  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:  (46)  Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.  (47)  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:  (48)  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.  (49)  So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,  (50)  And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.  (51)  Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
Have you understood all these things? Do you think that, Jesus would preach like you at the end of all these things and said, "We can never fall because of the grace of God .. haha.. rejoice.." ? Obviously, you have not read or understood His words in these parables.

Jesus was not talking about these parables to the non-believers but to His disciples. Hence, He would ask the preachers and the believers today, Have you understood all these things? too. Please think, If He would ask the believers to understand all these things, don't you think that He would ask you to understand and teach those who believe in Him too.
Ok, what are all these things in the parables above? Was it only about the churches who can never fall? No,we know that the main theme of all these parables points to one common important truth: ie. there is a final separation of peoples from the churches, from the seeds, from the field, from the net, and from the world. In another words, there will be a final judgement or separation of God's people from the world. However, before the separation or judgement, did Jesus say that we will shine as the sun? No, Jesus said that we will shine as the sun only after the separation or judgement. Hence, it is too quick to pass judgement when God has not judged yet. It is one thing if we think that we are the righteous, but it is another if we radically pronounce or judge everyone as the righteous, including the unrepentant and the wicked ones, when God has not judged yet. I think some preachers have overstepped the boundaries and tried to act like God, or think like God, without giving God the sovereignty to judge. They think that they are like 'Jesus' who can preach or pronounce everyone as saved. However, most of them have read the Bible with certain part of their scripture removed. I will ask them, Did you read the scripture or the part of the scripture that tells us that even Jesus would not preach or pronounce everyone as saved? I don't have time to go through the whole Bible. I believe the words of Jesus in the parables above (Mat 13:36-51) should be clear enough.
When they cannot deny these parables which were clearly written for us, they would argue, "Oh, the words of Jesus, His law-based teachings, and His commandments, were mainly for the Jews. After He was crucified, we would no longer need to follow any of His commandments. He has kept all the commandments for us. He has kept them so well that all our past, present, and future sins are totally forgiven even we do not keep any laws. Today, we do not listen to the written words or commandments, we hear only. We hear the words from the preachers. And we are God's preachers who can speak the words of encouragement, the words of grace, and the words of  success to you. We preach the gospel that Paul preached and we would preach like him, until everyone misunderstood us; or else, we have not preached the true gospel. So, listen to us; not those who still keep many laws and commandments.."
I will tell them, Everything you said sound very biblical; but except one thing. What makes you think that the words of Jesus has become obsolete? Please read the parables of Jesus in those Bible verses again (Mat 13:36-51). Do you know that Jesus was talking about the end time? If the end time has not come to past yet, how can we say that His words have become obsolete? It is hard to believe that you can call yourselves a preacher of Jesus Christ when you make all His words of none effect with 'blind' theology! 


We can never throw away the foundation or the doctrine of eternal judgement because it is still the foundation of our belief
No wonder, Paul would still want us to go to the basics and the basics can never be obsolete:
  • Heb 6:1-3 KJV  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,  (2)  Of the doctrine   of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.  (3)  And this will we do, if God permit.
I counted 7 principles of the doctrine of Christ from the Bible verses above. It doesn't matter if you group them as 6 or 7 principles. However, it is clear to us that all these principles are the important foundations of our belief although they are the basic principles or first principles. I believe that Paul would not allow us to leave for other principles or higher laws if we have no idea of what are the basics? How can we be the teachers if we cannot even answer or explain the basics correctly?
  • Heb 5:12 KJV  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
However, once we have understood all God's principles with the basic knowledge of the truth and tasted the goodness of God, it is very hard for us to fall. But should we reject God and go back to the world after knowing the clear principles of God, it is impossible for us to go back to repentance again.  Please think, If we rejected the doctrine of repentance which is one of the most basic principles of the doctrine of Christ after we have repented, can we still repent again? No, the principle or the words of God are very clear: it is impossible for anyone to repent if he does not have the principle or the intention to repent:
  • Heb 6:4-6 KJV  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,  (5)  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,  (6)  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
  • Heb 10:26-30 KJV  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,  (27)  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  (28)  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:  (29)  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (30)  For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.(We must read it with Heb 10:16-17. After God has put His laws into our hearts, He would no longer remember our lawlessness, our sins, or our love for lawlessness too. However, can we sin and tell others that we can be more lawless than before or than Adam and Eve because God has forgiven all our lawlessness? No, if we do that, we sin willfully and justify ourselves with the wrong use of grace. Grace is not given for more lawlessness; grace is given for returning to His laws with true repentance.) But can we twist it and argue that this warning is not for God's people? No, it says very clearly that God will judge His people; not other people. When He used the comparison of a sorer punishment, He confirmed again that He was comparing and warning two of His people - one who despised Moses' law under the Old Covenant, and another who will dishonour the Spirit of grace under the New Covenant. Please think, who were able to despised Moses' law? Of course, nobody except the Jews or God's people who were given the law? Similarly, who can dishonour the Spirit of grace? Of course, no one, except God's people who have been given the grace of God too?
Some preachers have argued that the above Bible verses are not true or that they are no longer applicable to them today. They argued that they can still repent even if they have rejected God or rejected all His laws, commandments, and judgement. But, we know that they can never repent because they have rejected the doctrine of Christ, and when they repent now, it is a different 'repentance' ! They probably had truly repented when they first believed Jesus. However, when they repent now, it is no longer the same repentance which was received according to the principles of the doctrine of Christ in Heb 6:1-3. It is now their own 'repentance' which has
  1. no more commandments and judgement (or law and prophets?), 
  2. no more repentance with living testimonies, 
  3. no more sound doctrine, 
  4. no more praying and intercession for others
  5. no more baptism of death (in the flesh), 
  6. no more living faith (with good works), 
  7. no more true spirit of being born again .. 
Please think, without all these, how can their 'repentance' or 'change of mind' be under the 7 first (basic) principles of the doctrine of Christ? No, it is just a false repentance which is not from God. It cannot save.  


The world will become more and more lawless after they 'kill' the 'law and prophets' in the end time
Do you remember the two prophets or the two olive trees who were killed by the people of the earth in the book of Revelation and who were resurrected on the third day? They might be the metaphor of law and prophets which could be removed from the churches of God in the end time:.
  • Rev 11:4-12 KJV  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.  (5)  And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.  (6)  These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.  (7)  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.  (8)  And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.  (9)  And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.  (10)  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.  (11)  And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.  (12)  And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
We have enough reasons to think that the two of them were Moses (law) who turned waters into blood and Elijah (prophet) who prayed and shut heaven that it rained not. However, will Moses and Elijah come back to life and appear to us? I don't think so. It could be a metaphor about the law and prophets in our time when mos of the people of the earth will hate the law and prophets and think that the law and prophets are there to torment them. Together with the false prophets and the beast, they will try to silent all the churches from teaching the law and prophets in their doctrine.


Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets so that the commandments of God can be kept better by all His believers in their hearts
Many radical grace preachers argue, "But Jesus has fulfilled the law and prophets and therefore there is no more law in the doctrine of Christ." I will tell them, Contrary to what you think, there is better law and prophets in the doctrine of Christ. Please read your Bible again:
  • Mat 5:17-19 KJV  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.  (18)  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.  (19)  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
  • Mat 7:11-12 KJV  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?  (12)  Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
  • Mat 22:37-40 KJV  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.  (38)  This is the first and great commandment.  (39)  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  (40)  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
  • Luk 16:16-17 KJV  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.  (17)  And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
  • Luk 24:44-47 KJV  And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.  (45)  Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,  (46)  And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:  (47)  And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
I will tell them, Have you read the Bible verses above? There could be two definitions now when we preached about the fulfilment of the law and prophets:
  1. You could have interpreted that the fulfilment of the law and prophets means meeting all the requirement of the laws to have no more law or to destroy all the laws.
  2. I would interpret that the fulfilment of the law and prophets is not to destroy or remove the laws, but to accomplish the laws so that His laws and commandments can be kept better in the lives and hearts of the believers. God's laws and commandments are like the blueprint. It is the foundation which can never be removed but everything would be built upon it until the final building is accomplished. 
Please think with common sense, Having accomplished the building, will you remove the foundation? Certainly not. Similarly, Having fulfilled and accomplished the law and prophets (who represent the foundation of God's plan for mankind), Christ will not remove or destroy the law and prophets too.


Jesus would never destroy or remove the doctrine of eternal judgement from His doctrine
They will still argue, "But Jesus showed us that there should not be any law or judgement. Do you know that Jesus rebuked Peter for thinking of the law and prophets when Peter told Him that he will build one tabernacle for Him, one for Moses, and one for Elijah? Jesus rebuked John and James too when they asked Him to send fire to destroy those who did not receive them. Hence, Jesus showed us that He would rebuke anyone who would still think of the law and prophets, or judgement too."
  • Luk 9:53-56 KJV  And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.  (54)  And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?  (55)  But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.  (56)  For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
I will tell them, When Jesus rebuked the disciples, it did not mean that there is no more law and judgement in the teaching of His doctrine. I have already shown you that, in the doctrine of Christ, there is still the doctrine of repentance, law & judgement, or separation:
  • Heb 6:1-3 KJV  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,  (2)  Of the doctrine   of baptisms, and of laying on of hands (of the ministries of healing and gifts of the Holy Spirit), and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.  (3)  And this will we do, if God permit.
  • Mat 13:40-50 KJV  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  (41)  The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;  (42)  And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.  ..(44)  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.  (45)  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:  (46)  Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.  (47)  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:  (48)  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.  (49)  So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,  (50)  And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
  • Luk 16:29-31 KJV  Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.  (30)  And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.  (31)  And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

God's commandments are still better than any men's reasoning
Many will still justify themselves, "Please don't falsely accuse us as the lawless just because we refuse to teach God's laws or commandments. Do you know that we still teach in the marriage seminars? I still tell my church members to uphold their marriage vows and be faithful to one another. I did not tell them the law and commandment. Instead, I told them that why it is not wise to commit adulteries.. I told them the reason why it is not good to have free sex with everyone.. I told them that grace will teach them, not God's laws, doctrine, or principles of Christ .. I only told them grace or favor to live godly lives; not commandments of God to live godly lives.."
I will ask them, Please do not be hypocritical. Do you expect us to listen to you and your reasons on why we should not do this .. and that .. based on your own understanding and reasoning?
  1. Firstly, if we have to choose, we would rather listen to God's commandments which could be 'dry'. We would rather listen to Him than your 'beautiful musics' or 'ding dong bell' reasoning against His laws and commandments. 
  2. Secondly, God has said it: we must listen to His words rather than the words of men, no matter how fantastic is the reasoning of men. 
  3. Thirdly, whatever you preach on godly living, holiness, or faithfulness to your wives without the law of God is just your brilliant way; but hypocritical way, of stealing the glory of His words and commandments. You know that it is wrong to commit adultery, steal, and kill; yet, you preach it as though it is not the commandments of God. You are not giving due credit to God's words or commandments. Instead, you condemn His laws and commandments so that your blinded believers think that you have better wisdom and reasoning than God who is the lawgiver:     
  • Isa 33:22 KJV  For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
  • Jas 4:12 KJV  There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Now, Please think again, What does it mean, If God the lawgiver commanded you not to commit adulteries, you do not listen to Him; but when someone else reasoned with you, you would just take heed and obey? Do you think that someone else is better than God?  You may argue that that someone else is 'your Jesus' and those who preach 'your Jesus' is better than the law of God. But I would think that it is just your excuse to rebel against God's commands, laws, doctrine, and principles of Christ. The real Jesus would still tell us to do the will of the Father because He would do and teach based on the laws, doctrine, and commandments of the Father too:
  • Joh 15:8-15 KJV  Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.  (9)  As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.  (10)  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.  .. (14)  Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.  (15)  Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
  • Joh 6:63 KJV  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life...  (7:16) Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.  (17)  If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.  (18)  He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
  • Mat 7:21 KJV  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
  • Luk 6:46-48 KJV  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?  (47)  Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:  (48)  He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood (false doctrine) arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. (Hence, Jesus said clearly that He would not just want us to have right believing, right faith, right miracles, right preaching, or right confession only; he wants us to have right doing with His words too, because right doing would prove that we are His true disciples on the rock of salvation.)
Please think again, If it is still wrong to commit adultery, steal, kill, and bear false witnesses, God's commandments are still right to tell us obey Him and His words. God's commandments are still better than all our reasoning of doing or not doing something.

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